So You Want to Start a Trucking Company to Haul Water in the North Dakota Oilpatch

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By Ghost32

The Query

This morning, a gentleman who's considering starting up his own trucking company to haul water in the North Dakota oil drilling boom asked a number of very logical questions. The answers added up to a complete Hub...and here it is, beginning with his wanting to know whether not I'd ever actually worked in North Dakota:

My Industry Background

Back in the early eighties, I drove bulk cement tankers for Halliburton and later worked as a derrick hand for Western Oil Well Services on the workover rigs. Both operations were based out of Glendive, Montana, and a lot of our work was across the line into western North Dakota.

Also, my (late) grandparents lived on the Rez at Mandaree, ND, and I visited there as well, adding to an already clear understanding of the terrain and climate.

In total, over the years, energy industry work (involving drilling and production operations for both oil and natural gas) included assignments that took me to the following states: Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Colorado, and Utah.

The final years in the industry were as a water hauler for the gasfield drilling boom in western Colorado. Toward the end, I even started up my own trucking company (Tryad Transport, Inc.), for which the truck financing fell through at literally the last moment. The lender closed its doors forever on the day Obama was elected President.

I'm still steamed about that.

Answering the Man's Questions

Starting up a water hauling company can be a fine thing, though I have to cringe a little at the thought of a man doing that with zero upfront experience in the oilpatch. Not that it can't be done; more than one of the smaller trucking outfits contracted to my former employer in Colorado did just that.

Pay is by the hour, so much per truck-and-driver, on contract between the trucking company and the oil company. I don't know what would be competitive in North Dakota at the moment; you'd really need to go talk to some folks in the area to get a feel for that. A fairly typical rate in western Colorado a few years ago (2007-2009) was running around $100-$135 per hour for a tractor-trailer combo, give or take, but pricing is all free market competition.

Volume does count in the sense that oil companies, just like anybody else, want the best bang for the buck they can get. The baseline tanker size is 130 barrels for a semi trailer and 80 barrels for a bobtail (straight truck with chassis-mounted tank). If you run larger tanks than that, you'll have an edge with some potential employers, but there are downsides, too:

1. Heavier loads mean OSOW (oversize overweight) permitting with the state.

2. Heavier loads can tip over more easily and/or get stuck deeper in the mud.

3. Bigger tanks are more expensive to purchase and harder on the running gears that carry them, so you've got a couple of cost factors there.

Best rigs to equip with:

This is to a large degree a matter of personal taste. For example, I'm partial to International trucks and would definitely run those exclusively if I had my druthers. But Peterbilt, Kenworth, and Mack all have their advocates in the oilpatch.

Mack does present a unique problem in that their parts are proprietary; you can only get them from a Mack dealership.

As for tanks, I'm most familiar with the Troxell and Dragon brands, both of which are well made, but there could be others out there by now that work just as well (I've been out of the patch since April '09.)

Vacuum pumps are most important items, but discussing those is a whole 'nother story. I'd do some walking and talking to existing drivers in North Dakota before I picked a pump brand. Going the wrong route with one of those can mess up your entire operation. Some are a lot more rugged than others, some are noisy enough to deafen a driver over time, etc.

Whatever dealership or specialty shop sets up your trucks for the oilpatch needs to know what he's doing, and you're going to want axles and suspension that are as heavy duty as possible. The oilpatch is a rough neighborhood when it comes to equipment, and I've seen many a unit sidelined with a busted spring or a rear axle that snapped because the owner didn't beef things up in time.

Heavy duty rear ends are essential.


Sound like a lot to take in? Oh, it is! Certainly more than a brief written page like this can cover adequately.

Who to contact: There's only one sure way to find that out. Namely, take a week, spend some time in the area you're targeting, and talk to people who are doing the work you want to do. Some of the company owners with whom you'll be competing will brush you off, but there are always drivers at the nearest coffee shop who will give you the straight scoop.

Carry a notebook, maybe a voice recorder. Do the legwork.

Find out, also, what sort of Safety Program will be required to keep you in D.O.T. compliance. It might be startling to most liberals, but the oilpatch is an extremely safety-minded place, and there are hoops you'll need to jump through to keep State Inspectors (and the company hands paying you to haul their water) happy.

Until or unless your new company grows large enough to allow you to have "old" drivers train new drivers, be careful who you hire to drive your trucks. It only takes one idiot who neither knows nor cares enough to cut down his air pressure to five psi or less when his tank is nearly empty...plus the receiving tank being nearly full...to result in a massive splash-over-the-top water spill.

If that happens to be fresh water, few company or state or federal authorities are likely to care too much. But if it happens to be nasty stuff from downhole, carrying all sorts of toxins and carcinogens and other horrible, smelly chemicals, it could put you out of business in a heartbeat.

Is it worth doing? Oh, you betcha! My former employer in Colorado grew their little three-truck startup to a sizeable operation fielding more than sixty power units in something under three years worth of hard-charging time and effort.

That is the American Dream in action.

Comments

ThoughtSandwiches profile image

ThoughtSandwiches Level 7 Commenter 8 months ago

Hey Ghost! I think it is awesome that you were able to hear a few questions and generate such a detailed hub, on a subject matter...I have to assume...is fairly arcane...unless of course...you need water in an oilfield, huh? Great job as always my friend! Voted Up interesting and useful. As always...thanks for your hard efforts!

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Ghost32 Hub Author 8 months ago

Thanks--not that the work is all that hard. Writing beats REAL work any old day!

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ThoughtSandwiches Level 7 Commenter 8 months ago

I do have to agree with you...it beats a 9 to 5 certainly. You do make it appear effortless, however.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 8 months ago

Thanks. It really isn't difficult for me--except in the occasional case where I'm doing a tribute to a fallen warrior (or some such) and get to fearing I might not get it right.

Then, it scares me a good bit until the comments start coming in that say I did okay.

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ThoughtSandwiches Level 7 Commenter 8 months ago

lol...those comments are a help after all the self-doubt while the creation was occurring. I agree...sensitive topics do cause me pause...to make sure it gets done...just so.

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Becky Katz Level 8 Commenter 8 months ago

Good hub. Useful to someone with lots of detail.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 8 months ago

TS: Exactly.

Becky: I'd been getting a few queries on this every so often. Time to codify the thing.

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Patty Inglish, MS Level 7 Commenter 8 months ago

This is thorough writing and I hope both the Native Americans and the water haulers make big money in the ND oil fields. Thanks, Ghost.

Becky Katz profile image

Becky Katz Level 8 Commenter 8 months ago

I understand. Must keep the consumers happy.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 8 months ago

Patty: Back atcha--and while they're at it, most likely there are a few Native American water haulers making money by this time, too! :)

Becky: Indeed. Private enterprise in action, eh?

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Phil Plasma 8 months ago

It sounds like you have a wealth of experience - it is good of you to pass this on.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 8 months ago

Gives me something to write about, anyway. :)

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50 Caliber Level 7 Commenter 8 months ago

Interesting look, Fred and hit a bit on a question I asked Crazy Rifle, dust

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Ghost32 Hub Author 8 months ago

Yeah, Dusty, this gentleman asked enough of 'em (questions), it just seemed time to go into some detail.

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breakfastpop Level 8 Commenter 8 months ago

You are a man of many talents!

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Ghost32 Hub Author 8 months ago

Thanks, Pop.

I recall a number of people commenting that I was a "jack of all trades" even when I was in my thirties. However, I never liked that too much, since the complete saying goes,

"Jack of all trades but master of none."

Boo 5 months ago

Yever do any frac sand and what do you know about it?

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Ghost32 Hub Author 5 months ago

I never hauled any frac sand. I have been around it on various well locations. About the only things I know from observation and talking to drivers who hauled it:

1. It's really fine-grained stuff.

2. The tankers that haul it are usual triple belly dump types. That is, they must have partitioned compartments (I'm guessing) and empty through three separate underbelly funnel-shapes. You attach a hose, throw the valve open, and pump it out to wherever.

3. Typically, the drivers who haul frac sand will get more highway time than water haulers normally do, because you often have to bring it in to the well sites from frac sand sources a couple hundred miles away.

reum 5 months ago

Ya me and my brother was going to buy vac truck tanker but wanted to line up a job before we got it I need to know some contacts for williston area or even watford city. If you could help me out with that that would be assume. My phone is 4068909617 thanks ghost

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Ghost32 Hub Author 5 months ago

reum, I'd love to be able to help out a fellow Montanan (I was raised on a ranch west of Drummond)...but a phone call won't help at this point because I don't have any specific contacts for you.

The problem with lining up something in advance is that many of the best possibilities company-wise are really hard to pin down unless you're in the area and asking around. The water hauling company I worked for in Colorado, for instance, wasn't even listed in the phone book when I went to work for them--nor did they have a website, though they do now.

Were it me, what I'd do is figure out a mailing/business address in North Dakota and start getting your ducks in a row. Which will likely mean going there physically, to get things like insurance and your D.O.T. registration in order. By the time the state processes that, you should be able to find out who to talk to and bang on a few doors.

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DanielNeff Level 3 Commenter 4 months ago

Great writing. I knew nothing about hauling water in oilpatches, nor did I think I cared to know, but you present the information in an easy to understand and interesting manner that makes it a good read.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 4 months ago

That's good to hear, Daniel; thanks.

Al 4 months ago

Ghost I am interested in starting my own company hauling water for oil companies. Please Email at alioo9@aol.com with some info.... I would really appreciate it.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 4 months ago

Al, I won't do it that way. Too much work on my part, and I'm not in business to send out startup packets for budding entrepeneurs. I don't even know what "some info" would be.

However, here's a link to a Hub that will give a bit of something to think about:

http://ghost32.hubpages.com/hub/What-You-Need-to-K

Beyond that, if you have a specific question, I'll be glad to answer it if I can, or perhaps direct you to useful informational resources.

Al 4 months ago

K great! I'll take a look at it and I will get back to you. Thank you.

team tobias 4 months ago

Are you interested in working as a paid consultant?

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Ghost32 Hub Author 4 months ago

Thanks, but no. Others have asked, so I've already had time to think it through:

1. I wouldn't feel comfortable doing paid consulting work without heading back to the oilpatch every so often to "brush up" and make sure I was at the absolute top of my game.

2. Leaving our present situation is not an option. My wife is disabled, and I need to be here (on our retirement acreage near the Mexican border in Arizona) pretty much 24/7.

3. While my writing at home is a full time job in terms of hours for what looks like relatively little pay on the surface, said pay is residual. Any given page has the potential to earn a smidgen of affiliate income monthly for many years to come.

4. Especially this year (2012), NOTHING matters for the entire country more than getting Obama defeated in November, and roughly 2/3 of my articles are bent in that direction.

Chuff 3 months ago

I have heard that on top of the hourly they also pay a per bbl fee for hauling, is there any truth to this?

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Ghost32 Hub Author 3 months ago

Chuff, I've never heard of such a thing. There could be a stray company that's come up with the concept--pay you half the hourly rate, then "motivate" you to hustle to make up for lost time to get the other half in a per bbl fee. But if there is, it's the "odd company out". The problem with "piece work" payment in the oilpatch is simply this:

IT COULD GET PEOPLE KILLED.

Every driver knows that he/she needs to produce in order to stay employed, but if that motivator is escalated to the point of, "Get this next barrel count delivered or miss our mortgage payment," drivers are going to get reckless.

I not only doubt that arrangement is in force. If it is (anywhere in the patch), it gives me the cold chills.

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