People I've Known Who Served in the Vietnam War

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By Ghost32

First of all, I'm not a Vietnam War Veteran. I'm a Vietnam Era Veteran, which means that, yes, I wore the green (U.S. Army) when the shooting was going on, but I was never sent in-country, never saw combat.

Had to get that out of the way. Can't stand those who lie about their service records. Scum of the Earth.

Secondly, the time line of the War itself: Hit Google or Wikipedia, and you'll find that the Vietnam War lasted from 1955 to 1975. It's even stated that "military advisors" (Green Berets) were present from 1950 forward. We cannon-fodder types, however, mostly knew zip about any of that until Defense Secretary Robert MacNamara announced in 1965 that combat troops were to be shipped thataway. Happy Jungle Warfare and Merry Rice Paddies, guys.

My butt stayed safe and secure in Germany, where I was already stationed, waiting to get shot at the Fulda Gap in case the Communists decided to start World War III. The other bunch of guys with whom I'd trained at Ft. Ord and who'd been cooling their heels for more than a year in Kentucky, though? The ones I'd previously envied? Those guys all got to go play with the Viet Cong.

After my two years were done, fulfilling my military draft obligation, I had occasion to meet up with a number of those Vietnam War Veterans. Those and, over the years, many others from my generation. We came face to face in college classrooms, on jobs in the oilpatch, fostering troubled teenaged boys--you name it.

No names are included for any number of reasons, but here--well, you'll see.

The Traveling Vietnam Memorial Wall.
The Traveling Vietnam Memorial Wall.

Soldier A: He stands six foot three, a ruggedly built, scarily handsome African American man who was my bunkmate when we trained to become wire rats. Drafted at age 23, he'd been snatched by Uncle Sam from a job as an undercover vice cop in California.

We kept up correspondence during his time overseas, and I remember most of all his irrepressible sense of humor as he wrote about bedding down in the wet...with gear that was way too short for his frame. He appeared to survive his tour with no ill effects whatsoever, quite possibly (though I didn't think of this at the time) because his former job busting prostitutes and drug dealers was every bit as nasty and dangerous as southeast Asia.

Soldier B: Five-six and hardly overweight, B and I had been drafted in the same allotment. A rancher's son (like me), he started out rather pear-shaped (not like me). When he came home from 'Nam, he'd lost that wide caboose...and gained a twist to his features, a darkness to his aura, that was not quite the same man who'd gone to war. I saw him outlive that damage. It took the better part of 32 years.

Soldier C: We met on the job in the oilpatch, driving bulk cement tanker trucks for Halliburton in eastern Montana and western North Dakota. He'd walked point in Viet Nam, multiple tours, and survived the experience. His skill as a "bin mover" was legendary in our work camp...but there was a nasty side to him. A hardness, a willingness to beat down a man he felt had done wrong, no two sides to anything, seeing things in stark black and white. What he was like before experiencing combat, I do not know.

Soldier D: A close friend after we found we shared a passion for fostering teenaged boys in trouble, this remarkable fellow wasn't large...on the outside. He stood maybe five-eight, no more than 140 pounds, and the Army (plus the VA hospital) tried to kill him. He'd gotten shot up in a firefight, gutshot no less. Heard a combat medic say, "Leave this one; he's as good as dead already."

That ticked him off so throroughly that he refused to die, demanded assistance...and got it. Later, in hospital, he awoke from surgery...and smelled ether. Struggling out of bed, holding onto the stand supporting his IV solution for support, he stumbled out into the hall and down to the nurses' station to tell them about it. They yelled at him for being out of bed. He boogied back, kicked the door shut behind him, and the orderlies slammed into that door face-first, ending up in a pile on the floor.

His refusal to die worked that time, too. When the orderlies got up and got through the door, even they could smell the ether.

He was in excellent physical condition. Had lost most of his stomach, which he said included the fat-making part (well, that's what he said). Swore he could sit in a chair and grow muscle.

Soldier E: Gutshot much like my friend, this acquaintance remained ill. It is doubtful he was ever in good health after his gastrointestinal encounter with the metal that rearranged his insides. Rather than defy the authorities who would have let him die, he was eternally grateful to them for keeping him alive. Unfortunately, his innards were never again going to be quite right, and a too-close acquaintance with the trots meant that he was always underweight.

I always wondered about that: Two gutshot soldiers, one distrusting and defying the medics, the other abjectly grateful to them--but only the rebel had fully recovered his health.

This list could go on for a long, long time, but we'll stop here. War is never easy, nor does it affect any two participants in precisely the same way...but it always affects a warrior in some way. At this juncture in time, our generation is not the point. We've got countless younger men and women from the combat theaters in Iraq and Afghanistan--even some from right here at Ft. Hood, when you include the terrorist attack by Major Hasan--who are changed from the youngsters they were prior to enlisting. Your own soldier may or may not have serious issues, but one thing is certain:

Paying attention to the newly discharged GI in your life is a really, really good idea.

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Stump Parrish profile image

Stump Parrish Level 2 Commenter 10 months ago

Ghost, regardless of our differences thank you for yourervice. I missed Nam and was a swabbie from 77 to 81. peace and I hope that becomes more than a catch phrase in the near future.

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JKurth 10 months ago

Great post. My thanks go to you and your friends for serving our country. In roughly five months, I, too, will join the ranks of the few that join the military.

Becky 10 months ago

Thank you for your service, your tribute to the ones you know, and for the warning to watch the ones coming home. Sometimes, they do not even know there is a problem. But if someone who knows recognizes a problem, PLEASE convince them to get checked and treated. The Vietnam Veterans have fought hard to get this listed as service connected so do not waste their efforts. I have lived with a man for 25 years who has severe PTSD. It can and will affect your families if it is not dealt with.

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The Frog Princess Level 2 Commenter 10 months ago

Thanks for your service to our country.

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Pamela99 Level 7 Commenter 10 months ago

This is a good weekend to think and pray for our vets. My husband served in Vietnam and got some injuries but survived which is the most important things. Thank you for your service. I have a niece and nephew both in the Navy now. The nephew served some time in Iraq but was in a fairly safe area as he was working as a mechanic at that time. Great post!

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PETER LUMETTA Level 6 Commenter 10 months ago

Cudos to you ghost, I lost a lot of friends in the war, both in the Nam and others who came back but were mentally and physically destroyed by War. I never got the call and in 1965 when I went for my physical they gave me a 4F, it was before Tet. God bless and protect all soldiers. Peter

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Ghost32 Hub Author 10 months ago

Stump Parrish: Back atcha; thank you for YOUR service. Not holding my breath on the peace prospects, but yes, that would be nice.

JKurth: I see from your profile that you chose the Navy and from your avatar that you appear to be a father. Your reasons for joining look good to me; best wishes for the years ahead.

Becky: Spoken as one who knows. (I highly encourage other readers to check out Becky's to-the-point post.)

Frog Princess: (*Salutes*)

Pamela: Your comments are appreciated. I don't have any nieces in service, but one nephew did 3 tours in Iraq as a Marine (which probably ultra-sensitiizes me to the Jose Guerena case), and another nephew is an Army lifer with, I think 3 tours also. The Army nephew was stationed at Ft. Hood with his daughter in daycare less than two miles from where (and when) Hasan struck.

Peter: Amen on the blessings and protections for all soldiers. It's a curious thing sometimes, who gets the call and who doesn't. Three of us close friends graduated high school together. All of us agreed that IF called, we owed our country the two years.

Yet I wound up being the only one of the three who did the two. One high school buddy did get called but was mustered out after about four months because of back problems begun in a mining accident prior to his being drafted. The other actually got his notice, but I volunteer drafted (just to get it over with, and also to give him an out), which jumped me ahead of him.

Before they could call him the following month, he hurried up and got married to a ready-made family, a gal with one son and another in the oven he'd put there.

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breakfastpop Level 8 Commenter 10 months ago

You are a great American, Ghost. Thanks so much for this important message. Up and useful and awesome.

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biblicaliving 10 months ago

I know several "older" guys that are Vietnam Vets. They all came back with varying outlooks on their experience. A few of them looked at it as an "adventure," while one in particular came back with some PTSD issues. He was a POW for a short period of time (as well as a tunnel rat), and it did not set well with him. Thanks for the awesome Hub! We have too remember our soldiers, they are doing a tough job.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 10 months ago

BPop: Thanks.

biblicalliving: Being a P.O.W. doesn't set well with anybody, so far as I know. As for the tunnel rats, that was a different world unto itself. Glad he made it back.

lilyfly 10 months ago

Then there are the Haliburton boys, who might as well have been soldiers, (some of them), I think they were called GBR...

All the Viet Nam Vets I've known talk very little, and their ability to withstand bull**** seems to be permanently damaged, which I love. It's great to see some idiot get an attitude adjustment from one of these guys, or girls.

Thank you for an interesting hub... lily

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Ghost32 Hub Author 10 months ago

You're definitely right about the BS-acceptor genes being dinged. I've known some who could still talk extensively, but the attitude adjustments...yeah. Maybe a Hub worth doing about one of 'em (same guy who wiped the orderlies out with the hospital door).

A scam artist goes into this bar, see, and palms the change for a twenty from the bartender....

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50 Caliber Level 7 Commenter 10 months ago

Fred great post, good to see one stay with the basics. If memory serves we called the ribbon you probably got a "fire watch" ribbon, not belittling it, it was as much service as even peace time and non-deploy-able folks pull, setting seconds from what the next call will be it's all good with me, peace dust

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Ghost32 Hub Author 10 months ago

50 Caliber: Thanks, Dusty. I'll have to take your word on the ribbon, since the last time I say my old Army gear, it was in a duffel bag tucked into my inlaws' attic, along with the uniforms, etc. When I divorced their daughter (my first wife), it really didn't seem worth the risk for a run into Indian Country to see if it could be retrieved. That was in 1973 (the divorce).

Kinda doubtful the uniforms would fit, even if they're still there.

Only about 25 extra pounds, but....:)

Not to mention the fact that they've long since sold the house, my former father-in-law got Alzheimer's, and....

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50 Caliber Level 7 Commenter 10 months ago

We all got the fire watch ribbon it was just an "era" ribbon I spose is what it would be described as??? dust

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Ghost32 Hub Author 10 months ago

Yeah, I sorta-kinda remember a ribbon, but that duffel went into storage in 1968, right after I didn't have to go to any more reserve summer camps in the Mojave desert and was "fully out" of service. 43-year-old memory still sharp on some things but a tad fuzzy on that one.

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AlexDrinkH2O Level 1 Commenter 7 weeks ago

Good stuff, guy. I served in Nam from 1966-67. Came out unscathed, thank God.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 7 weeks ago

Thanks, Alex. Glad to hear you came out unscathed. Unscathed is good. VERY good.

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