Obama Releases Birth Certificate...And the Crowd Goes Wild!
70With everybody and their pet lizards writing or talking about Obama's decision to finally release his long form Birth Certificate, with the crowd going wild, why bother to add one more grain of sand on the Hawaiian beach?
Oh, a couple of things come to mind:
1. Validity issues. It's interesting that on the most recently released form, it shows both the Local Registrar and the Registrar General stamping the form the same day. That may of course mean nothing except that Hawaii had some surprisingly efficient bureaucrats processing paper at that time, though at least some others born in that hospital in 1961 show a lag time between the two offices of two or three days.
2. Additionally, why does one form (typed) show Obama's mother's name to be Stanley Ann Dunham while the handwritten version shows her to be a bit more married (?) as (Stanley) Ann Dunham Obama? Again, not necessarily a big deal, but still curious.
But Donald Trump's people will veriify the authenticity of the form--or not--and yeah, that will be good enough for me. Validity issues (if any) were not enough to inspire this page.
Wait for it....
The real mindbender is: Presuming the birth certificate is valid, why did he wait so long to release it?
I may have intuited the answer. If I'm right, it's a scary thing.
What does it look like? Like this:
1. People started asking (okay, demanding) that he release the form years ago.
2. His thinking, no more and no less than that of a child, appeared to be, I don't have to and you can't make me! Nothing more, nothing less.
3. Only when Donald Trump weighed in and proved himself to be a force capable of standing up to the White House, the media, and every liberal screamer out there--only then did the President cave to superior strength.
That's spooky, why? Because that childish I don't want to and you can't make me starting position, followed by caving under enough pressure, is a dangerous personality trait for the top executive of the United States of America to possess. I can't come up with a single scenario where that's a good thing.
In his on-camera remarks following the release of the birth certificate, President Obama claimed to be amused by all the fuss. Trust me, he's anything but amused. Trump is flying high in the polls when it comes to competing for the Republican nomination, and even the fifteen percent edge Rasmussen currently gives Obama in a head-to-head contest is no comfort guarantee for the incumbent at this stage in the game. The birth certificate issue became the first arm wrestling test between the business man and the community organizer. The businessman won, hands down.
Put another way: All the rest of us put together had been unable to force Obama to release that piece of paper. Trump got it done in a matter of weeks.
If you're Obama, that's got to really bite.
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Exactly, David. If nothing else, that makes a person all too easy for the bad guys to maniuplate and too hard for the good guys to persuade.
Greetings, Mr. Ghost. I am just curious if you take the Trumpler seriously in his run for the presidency? And if so, how quick do you think he'll drop out when it comes to the Republican nomination?
Ross Perot comes to mind now for some reason ...
Back atcha, Mr. Happy. I do believe Trump is quite serious and that he actually has a real shot at the Republican nomination.
I campaigned for Ross Perot in '92....
If Trump runs against Obama, I will vote for him. If Elmer Fudd runs against Obama, I will vote for him. We can not afford another four years of this Presidents policies. Elmer Fudd for President and a wabbit in every pot.
Thanks
Chuck
We wrote about the very same thing this morning. Imagine the concerns of the American people were not enough to move the president to release his birth certificate until Trump started poking around. Pathetic and strange, don't you think?
Chuck: I'd settle for having a pot in which to put the wabbit.
BPop: I do think, and I like your "pathetic and strange" description of the situation, too.
He waited because no fair-minded person could actually believe that the legally accepted document is not sufficient...unless people want , in fact to see other things. Never in the history of this nation has a duly elected sitting President been called upon to do something so asinine.
Yeah, if things keep going the way they are going, we'll all have to sell our pots and pans just to eat. Then have nothing to cook it in.
Thanks
Chuck
Nice hub, Ghost. It's all so very strange-and frightening-that he caved like he did, but while he's playing the cave game, I wish he'd release everything, school records, the whole shebang. But alas, just like you said, he's just a kid. He's playing a game with our future. I agree with Poor Conservative up there, Elmer Fudd would have my vote over this clown!
Fay: I understand that your perspective is shared by lots of folks, but the fact is that he was asked about this long BEFORE he was a sitting President. John McCain's birthplace (in the Panama Canal Zone) was questioned, the Senate addressed the issue, and a judgement was rendered that he was good to go. Barack Obama's birthplace was questioned and he stonewalled.
Which would seem to indicate that the asininity began early on...and came from the candidate, not the citizens who had every right to know if he was qualified to hold the position for which he was running.
Poorconservative: You know somebody with enough wealth to buy my pots and pans? Just asking....:)
Rkhyclak: It's not likely he'll do that, of course. Barack Obama, that is, not Elmer Fudd.
Tell me this, how is his fathers race African. Remember this is back in 1961 and if I'm not mistaken it would either say Negro or negroid. After the 60's it should say black. So is the new politically correct way African now?
The birth certificate will always ask for the mothers maiden name, but she can sign her married name. My birth certificate has the same thing. just my 2 cents. ;)
Personally my feelings as stated elsewhere here in hubland, I for one think the "new and improved certificate" is just like the new and improved money he keeps spending. Not worth the paper it was printed on. A truly valid consideration in fact Ghost. NO certificate is signed on the same day. I challenge all to look at your certificates. Ghost is correct.
Oh, let's see, they knew he was born to be the potus, so this made his certificate special, had to be done immediately. I think not. People, get a grip here, what Ghost is stating is fact. So before the crowd goes wild, it is more than time to be realistic about the way we have already been duped by this certifiable nutcase.
Like it or not, Trump forced Obama's hand. Obama was content to let this be a distraction until polls revealed that 38% of all Americans doubted his citizenship. It had backfired, and he finally had to act.
Mr. Ghost, the reason I mentioned Perot is because like him, Trump is a business man and like Perot, I know Trump will not even come close to winning a presidential election (my prediction is here - time will tell). He will not even win the Republican nomination, never-mind the national election.
I just personally think that they (Perot, Trump, etc. - business moguls) use presidential elections to prop-up their image; they use the media to publicize themselves. These guys have no clue about what politics means. Just my opinion. Cheers!
By the way, the goofy showed his birth certificate - aren't all those people who thought he was born in Timbak-tut or whatever, feeling a little dumb now?
(He's an American-born puppet of the Wall St. - that's what he is.)
Well Fred, something surely gave the big man an epiphany like never before. Maybe releasing the birth certificate is nothing more than a slight of hand in the hope that the desire for various documents will dry up...ie college transcripts, etc. Maybe his use of dual citizenship to claim foreign student status won't play so well in his qualifications as a Presidential office holder or seeker for that matter. Maybe those documents hold the proof as to how much this guy is willing to lie to obtain what he wants when he wants it. I think we have seen the smoke but the fire is still out of view. WB
So, does anyone happen to know the status of the Supreme Court cases on this topic? or of the amicae brifs? My understanding that those have been filed on questions about citezenship qualifications and international laws about citizenship rather than about whether the birth certifcate exists.
The birth certificate has always been a red herring, something pointless to argue about to distract us from the real questions of law. Well played, but still a lowly pawn on the chess board.
CTfirefighter: It could be Obama Sr. is listed as African because he's literally from Africa? Or not. Got me. About the maiden name, I understand what you're saying--just a touch curious why the original form and the "lighter version" don't show it done the same way.
WMH: Appreciate the endorsement of my wisdom, but I'm personally not saying as fact the two offices COULDN'T
have stamped the form the same day. One would need to review a BUNCH of births from that day, see if they mostly were done that way (same day) or not.
With Hawaii's rule about keeping birth data private, of course, that wouldn't be an easy project.
Will: Yep.
Mr. Happy: I'm not predicting who will win the nomination, but I do believe Trump is sincere, will get into the race, and has a real shot at winning it all.
On the other hand, before meeting Pam (wife #7), I sincerely believed I'd hooked up with my life mate six different times without being proved correct. I don't claim to be a great pol-picker.
To this day, I've never doubted Ross Perot's sincerity or concern for his country, either. He remains one of the top ten people I'd like to actually meet.
Wayne: You've got a good list of "maybe" items there. Maybe I'll keep an eye out for future developments.
Jim: I certainly don't know the answers to those questions. So far, every such status update I've come across has been just about impossible to validate. Maybe somebody out there knows, though--feel free to fill us in!
Ghost - I'm behind on my reading and writing but I'll catch up hopefully. I'll let the experts decide but form what I've been seeing the image experts report, the document was created and not very well at that. So I'll continue to watch as the experts decide.
Here's something to watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJfdKClbH4&feature
The Frog
Thanks for the link, Jim; that's a really good video. Readers are encouraged to check it out.
Like you, I'll let the experts decide--and along with the talk show folks, ask the key question: If this certificate IS proven to be a forgery (and not a very good one at that), WHY was it released? There are three possible reasons that come to mind; feel free to add more if you can think of them:
1. Knowing it would be quickly spotted as a phony, the strategy is to stir the pot even more briskly, try to amp up focus on the issue as a way to avoid (or at least taint with patented lib-snark ridicule) reasoned debate over Obama's many failures.
or
2. The White House really thought we were that dumb.
or
3. The heat Trump has brought to bear was getting so intense that Obama's people literally panicked and did something super-stupid.
You are so screwed up you don't even know what is right or wrong. I just know you don't have a BC or know where you were born if in the USA. Nobody has to prove that they were born in the USA ever! If you don't believe it you have to prove him wrong.You are now 70 years old not 67 so prove it to us !! Trump doesn't walk around with his BC in his wallet nor does anyone I know.
Lets face the facts,,,,YOU HATE BLACK PEOPLE,,,,and cannot stand the fact that Obama is the President. You are forgetting the fact that he is also a White Man but all you can see is his skin color....You are all so cross bred in the south you can't figure out who your own relativers are and maybe you are black but look white. EH !!!
roy - Everyone isn't the President of the United States. In fact, there are many times in our life when we are required to show our BC. I'm not real sure which cocoon you reside in after reading your comments.
Your playing the race card seems to show a certain level of ignorance. Or maybe you have nothing better to allege than displaying your own racism?
Thanks, Roy. You've really helped my writing production, providing fresh material. I did a Hub about having an online friend who suddenly snapped and turned into a raging online stalker. Some of those folks will doubtless see this comment and, voila! They'll get to see a little classic sample of your work.
For the rest of our readers (since Roy really isn't looking for answers), I'll address the specifics a bit:
1. Like most if not all of us, I've needed to prove where and when I was born countless times over the years.
2. Roy, incidentally, is not from the United States.
3. It's no doubt true that you don't know anyone who walks around with an in-wallet birth certificate. However, my wife does keep hers in her purse. I don't like to fold mine that small, but it is in an "important documents" box sitting in a file cubby some 18 inches to my right as I type.
4. I'm not sure what any of this has to do with attitudes on race. Quite frankly, I consider Herman Cain (an African American conservative) to be one of the most qualified potential candidates for the 2012 Republican nomination and would definitely appreciate the opportunity to vote for him as President should he become the Republican nominee.
4. Inflammatory comments like those you have posted here are usually deleted/denied for obvious reasons. Although I'm going to leave these in place at least temporarily, please understand that this is an exception.
5. You may be right on one point: I'm really not sure who my "relativers" are. Can't seem to find that word in the dictionary.
Frog: FYI, check my last post (just above this one). It'll clarify things.
Ghost - If ignorance was bliss, some people would be in constant heaven.
LOL!
I can't imagine Obama's people being that stupid to make the mistake of faking the BC so obviously, I mean these guys have had a lot of on-the-job training in sweeping the sidewalks clean of Obama's ego, so there's no way in hell they would have been that careless after years of practice!
Thanks for putting into words the answer to the question that has nagged at me since Obama acquiesced. Why did it take so long? Your explanation put the pieces of the puzzle together for me, and reminded me of what damage he has done to America's status in the world.
Excellent hub.
Fred - Here's another expert analysis done on the document he presented as his BC. It indeed seems that whoever produced this document was a bit on the careless side.
Alexander Mark: It is hard to imagine, although I keep flashing back to some of the boneheaded stunts pulled by Nixon and his Watergate bunch. Maybe this White House bunch really isn't any brighter--or rather, maybe they're SO arrogant, they DO believe, in Obama's own words, "What, do they think we're stupid?" Yeah, maybe they do.
Jim: Thanks for another great vid. This one really shows the layers of the assembled document very well.
Finally, on a Fox News page, I did come across one article that has an apparent Adobe Illustrator expert explaining why he believes the birth cert is authentic and NOT a fake. His perspective sees the "layers" discussed in so many other videos as something produced by certain scanning software, NOT tampering/forgery.
I have no clue if he's right or not, truly an expert, liberal or conservative, with or without an agenda--but here's the link:
Great hub, Ghost! enjoy all the interaction. This whole Obama presidency almost reads like a cheap mystery novel complete with the scripted overthrow of the government. My mind wants to say the man is just ignorant, but there are so many back stories about him that makes him and his friends are a bit scary. Hope this doesn't sound a little over the top. And yes Trump would make a better President for the very reason that he is not a political hack.
Ghost, trust me, that long form is a fake. Stu
Mary Contrary - Obama isn't ignorant at all. He knows exactly what he is doing. That's the problem. He also thinks the majority of people aren't paying attention and are stupid. He's probably right.There's enough on video now that came out of his mouth to make this next presidential election cycle very telling. You see Mary, this time he couldn't vote PRESENT.
FP - He could vote "present" if he was canvassed at the first tee. :)
I love it!!!
Mary - we aim to please!! Stu
Mary: Over the top? Heck, you're not even up to the water line yet! :)
The "cheap mystery novel" is a good analogy as long as includes the intrepid detective who solves the case in the nick of time.
Stu: It looks phony to me, too, even without the Adobe Illustrator video breakdowns. Just figured I'd include the link to the guy who claims it's authentic for the sake of my next gig as a Fox News commentator, show at least a little of the lib side....
Jim: I do think it's quite possible some of his own words on video) will come back to bite him really, really hard in 2012. Okay, not "some"...a LOT of his words.
Sorry, Roy. Had to delete your comment for the personal attack stuff.
I'll respond to a couple of your issues even so, though: You haven't seen anything from me lately on Sarah Palin because she hasn't said yet whether she's running for President in 2012 or not. If she does, I'll be supporting her all the way; she's still very much my first choice.
You stated that Sarah and Trump are "the same persons just different sex". Hm. Not quite true. I do believe they both care about our nation, but the differences are nonetheless considerable. Palin is a true conservative; The Donald is not. Sarah watches her language; Trump does not. Etc.
They are similar, however, in their willingness to speak straight out on the issues.
As for their not being a "whisper" on "my site" about Palin, that's not quite accurate, either. There are still more than 100 pro-Sarah Hubs out there.
Finally: Roy, anything and everything I ever wrote you was purely and simply an effort to help a friend, being aware that it might help and definitely would not hurt. They say the road to Hell is paved with good intentions; I'd say that turned out to be an excellent illustration of that rule.
Finally, you keep referring to me being indigent, no income, etc. Can't figure that one out, but help yourself! Having to watch our pennies now and then doesn't mean we never see a dime, y' know.
There is a tremendous wealth of information in Obama's book 'Dreams From my Father' that relate directly to Obama's qualifications to be President. Since they come from our President I regard that information as factual. Those facts make the question about birth certificate and where Obama was born irrelevant (or a red herring).
Once understood, they do however draw attention to the question of Constitutional eligibility to be President of our United States. 1) Accept that Obama was born in Hawaii. 2) Obaba's father was a British subject. By international law, and laws of the US that meant Obama was both a US and a UK citizen (or subject). 3) As of 1963, because Kenya became a country rather than a protectorate of the UK, Obama's father became a Kenyan citizen, AND Obama became eligible for Kenyan citizenship if he so chose to declare before his 23rd birthday (in 1983 or 1984).
Last I knew there were still arguments being put forward that argue that the definition of 'natural born citizen' implied that the child have both parents be United States citizens, and not have dual citizenship. If I recall correctly, lifetime citizenship to the UK and to Kenya required an affirmation before a certain age. No such affirmation is reported in his books.
Fitnezz - What is being hidden lies in his academic records. The BS issue is a red herring. Mark my words.
FitnezzJim: You consider the book Ayers wrote for Obama to be factual? O-o-kay.
Frog: No doubt. Throw all the red herrings in this case in one pile and you could feed a herd of cats halfway to eternity.
FitnezzJim,
The definition of "natural born" has changed over time by Congress. It all depends on the child's birth date. Obama may not be a US citizen at all, a naturalized US citizen, or a natural born US citizen. Without a reliable long form BC, we can never know.
Stu
Which, no doubt, is the main motivation behind all the obfuscation.
Hi Ghost,
Exactly. I've examined the long form BC in Photoshop, and can easily see it is a fake (non-uniform background tiles). This means you can't rely on the fact that his mother's stated age at birth was 18, which would have made Obama ineligible for natural born status under the laws in effect at the time (at least according to some internet articles I've read). So all the BC does is obfuscate as you say; it just leaves the question completely open as to Obama's POTUS eligibility (since you can't determine which body of law applies unless you have a reliable date of birth for the child, and a reliable age at birth for the American parent).
Obama also pulled another fast one. By getting people to focus on the Birther issue via a phony BC, people have less time to debate about jobs, the national debt, eroding foreign relations, the expense of fighting wars on two fronts, the Fed printing trillions of fiat money, Obama's never ending assault on 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, etc. As odd as it sounds, the fake BC could actually help him get reelected by diverting attention from other issues.
Stu
Stu: Everything you've said here sounds exactly right with the single exception that I don't believe his fancy-dancing around the issues will save him. Unless we get a wimp for a Republican nominee--which I'm optimistic won't happen THIS time, regardless of the number of such licking their chops at the moment--we're going to have a fighter AND plenty of hard-hitting, well funded, in-his-face TV ads running where Adam VonAverage Voter will be looking as he crams down his third beer over supper.
His snarky (and as Frog Prince puts it, smirky) mock-you style was deadly against self-styled nice guys like McCain who simply refused to take the gloves off, Marquis of Queensbury rules against a Ninja assassin. But that same style will absolutely backfire on him in 2012 when he goes up against the true Awakened Giant that is the heart of America.
Sez me.
Ghost,
I bet you're right. GOP's will be doing everything they can to capitalize on Obama's weakness.
Stu
One would certainly hope so!
I definitely have some issues with the GOP of recent years - mostly because they've been well, wimpy. The situation we are in currently has got to change. We can not afford another 4 years of this! Thanks for the hub.
Yes, wimpy they have been indeed. Reminds one of the old Popeye cartoon, his buddy Wimpy who cares for absolutely but hamburgers, more hamburgers, and even more hamburgers. Give me mine, keep it coming, then gimme more.
DEFINITELY we cannot afford four more years of this.
jeff, "wimpy" is the understatement of the year. I applaud the GOP for blocking as much of the Obama agenda as they could, but why no repeal bills? Why so few serious budget proposals, like the Ryan bill and the RSC proposal? The reality is that most of the GOP are centrists, not conservatives. We really need to clean house.
Stu
Stu, it's not quite "no" repeal bills--the House did repeal Obamacare. And of course Harry Reid still controls the Senate.
That said, though: You bet; the house cleaning (in both Houses of Congress AND in the White House) is muchly needed.
Hi Ghost,
I see your point. What's the point of passing alot of repeals in the House if the Senate won't ratify them?
I wonder why no GOP's are pressing lawsuits. I know they are expensive, but many in Congress are well heeled. I'm thinking of the kind of things Van Irion is doing (the HC and immigration class action suits).
Stu
Stu, there is a point (or two) in passing--maybe not a lot, but at least some repeals in the House:
1. By doing so, House Republicans elected in 2010 are making an extremely show of good faith with those who voted for them to do just that. This is critical.
2. By doing so, they ALSO force Senators to GO ON THE RECORD as opposing the measure(s), which is important ammunition in the war to throw the bums out in 2012.
Overall, it works for me.
Not sure on the lawsuits. Good question. There are certainly enough lawyers to go around.
Ghost,
Good point. By endorsing the Ryan bill, GOP's in the House gain credibility for 2012, and the Senate looks like they are soft on fixing the budget problem, which they in fact are. Also, the House vote to defund ObamaCare is a winner, even if the newly found funding buried in the law renders the House decision moot; at least it adds to GOP credibility in 2012.
Stu
Exactly.
That newly found funding? It wasn't REALLY so "newly found"; I'd personally found (and written a Hub about) PART of that $105 billion, several months prior to the "sudden discovery" that hit the news. (Fox News, anyway.)
Not that Michelle Bachmann reads my stuff daily or anything. LOL!
HAHAHAHA
Michele may not read your daily stuff, but I'm sure Echelon is on top of things.
You're correct about the hidden funding being in two parts. The "small" one (a fixed amount per year that wasn't really so small) was discovered first by the conservative PAC's, and then they discovered the huge slush fund for DHHS, which is technically uncapped.
I guess when San Fran Nan said "You have to wait until it's passed so you can see what's in it," she wasn't just referring to us "little people." Since the House legally is delegated power over federal funding, it might be argued that the very short time Congress was given to review the final bill constituted an illegality.
Stu
Can't argue with that. The whole THING constitutes an illegality!
David Warren Level 2 Commenter 13 months ago
That was exactly my perspective after seeing the release play out today. Great hub Ghost. I don't have any strong feelings regarding the authenticity part as we obviously have no control over those issues but I strongly feel the same way about the childishness attitude. No room for the "I don't have to, and you can't make me" at any level of leadership.