Military Training : Facing Live Fire

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By Ghost32

Training: It's a Good Thing

About military service: Whether you're one of today's high school seniors thinking about joining the Marines after graduation or one of yesteryear's inductees into Uncle Sam's Army (as I was), the prospect of facing live fire during training (let alone possible combat later on) is worth a bit of discussion.

Why?

One example: When he was seventeen years of age, my younger brother-in-law decided to join the Marines. I'd done my obligatory two years in the Army by then. His Dad had been classified 4-F due to a congenital heart defect and been excused from service altogether, but he'd been around the block. Knowing his son was totally unsuited to military life, we both did our best to dissuade Jacob from enlisting...to no avail.

He was, after all, seventeen. What cocky young buck listens to his elders when he's seventeen? I know I didn't.

But a fellow really ought to pay attention once in a while; a whole lotta misery could be avoided that way. Jacob had only been in Marine Boot Camp a few weeks when he first wrote to his parents...expressing utter shock and dismay at his horrendous discovery: The Marine Corps was actually training him to kill people!

No s**t, Sherlock.

He somehow survived Boot Camp...but was booted out of the Corps a few months later.

M60 machine gun.
M60 machine gun.

Thankfully, it wasn't that way for me. When I was drafted, I knew exactly what the job of being a soldier entailed--and I appreciated every bit of training the Army threw at us.

As it turned out, I was never actually sent into combat during my time in service, but a bunch of us (mostly draftees from Montana plus a couple from Washington state) understood quite clearly that we could be sent at any time to shoot at people who would definitely be shooting back. Because of this and even scarier information that a high percentage of Army troops won't shoot to kill the first time they see an enemy, we had already--before we even graduated from Basic Training--settled on foxhole partners so we'd be ready to have each other's backs at a moment's notice.

One evening, we all headed out for the obstacle course at Fort Ord, California. It was a pretty simple setup: You climbed up from a big pit over a wall at one end, where we all gathered first, and then bellied ahead for a couple hundred yards or so, and you were done.

They had a few "mortar pits" here and there along the way with explosions going off randomly, just to give a little sense of reality, and one set of barbed wire (not concertina) you had to go under on your back, but not much else.

However, it was our first live fire exercise. The cadre sergeant told us there were three M60 machine guns set up at the far end, all firing live rounds, but only the center gun traversed--the other two, one at each outer edge, were fixed, just shooting straight ahead. He also explained that the bullets would be moving at a height of 40 inches from the ground--and that one kid, while going through the course a few months earlier, had panicked. Jumped right up in the middle of the thing and died on the spot.

That last was most likely B.S. designed to keep some idiot from doing just that, but who knows. True or not true, the story made his point.

We had to wait a while in formation while the platoon ahead of us went through the course, so I had time to ask a question.

"Sergeant, you said the bullets are traveling 40 inches above the ground, right?"

"Right."

"Well...what good does that do? You could go through the course on hands and knees and never get that high! Why don't they drop the live fire down to where it would actually require you to pay attention?"

He looked at me like I was out of my mind. "Do you realize how hard it is to get some of these people to even go up over this wall even the way it is?!"

Um...no. I didn't have a clue.

Now, about bayonet training....

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Rudra profile image

Rudra 13 months ago

At the moment, there are too many wars.

Old Poolman profile image

Old Poolman Level 7 Commenter 13 months ago

Fred, It seems we share another thing, I also experienced this very same course at Fort Ord in 1959. I always suspected the actual height was actually over 40 inches, but did not test that theory. As I recall, most of us were rather zombie like from lack of sleep and exhaustion during this point of our training. I guess those were part of the good old days.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 13 months ago

Rudra: Yes, there are. But if you have to go to war, you still want to be the guy to come home alive--and paying attention to your training is part of that.

Mike: Until you said it just now, it hadn't even occurred to me that the height might have been set higher than stated. Of course it wouldn't have, me being the guy who thought even that was way too high!

Maybe we had an unusual squad and/or platoon. At least, I don't remember the zombie factor at all--except for one morning when I'd been up all night on KP in the mess hall and then had to go directly to an exercise assaulting a seriously steep hill. By the time I topped the crest on that one, my legs were GONE.

Faked it well enough that no one else caught on, but it was close.

My flight from Butte, Montana, to Fort Ord took place on January 8, 1964. Basic Training went off fairly smoothly for me (or at least as smoothly as such things ever go), but I did lose a week to pneumonia while going through wire rat school after that.

Didn't take long to be sawing logs once your head hit the pillow, though; I will admit that much.

As least our group missed the periodic meningitis outbreaks....

The Frog Prince profile image

The Frog Prince Level 7 Commenter 13 months ago

Ghost - You drew me out on this one! Yes, they still have the training in effect.

I want to add something here that many don't realize unless they have been a part of the mean, green machine. Some who have didn't give it much thought while they were in.

I encourage all young people to join the service but with this thought in mind when they do. When you raise that right hand and swear to an oath, you are writing a blank check to your nation. Are you willing to do that?

I did so for 23 years and luckily for me it was never cashed and I am grateful for that. Training, and continual training, is what keeps our young men and women alive in most cases. However, sometimes that check is cashed.

God bless America and the people who serve it in our armed forces.

The Frog

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TheManWithNoPants Level 7 Commenter 13 months ago

Good job Fred. Bayonet training, the lost art!

jim

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Ghost32 Hub Author 13 months ago

Frog: Good point. I was fully aware that my check could be cashed at any time, but being young and invulnerable did not, of course, expect to draw the short straw.

The idea of checking out never has bothered me, though--just not that crazy about going OUCH! a lot on the way....

About the God bless part: What you said.

Jim: Hm...guess that's another Hub in this newly minted series....

Gotta get to work!

The Frog Prince profile image

The Frog Prince Level 7 Commenter 13 months ago

Ghost - The idea of dying has never bothered me. Getting there becomes a bit troublesome though.

Ghost32 profile image

Ghost32 Hub Author 13 months ago

Exactly.

Old Poolman profile image

Old Poolman Level 7 Commenter 13 months ago

Oddly enough, I am not particularly concerned about dying either. Never have been and hopefully never will be. Dying is the one thing we all know will someday come true, and that ain't no bull.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 13 months ago

No bull whatsoever, Mike.

I like the way the Aiel believe. The Aiel are a fictional desert-dwelling people, warriors beyond compare, in my favorite fantasy series. They refer to death as "waking from the dream".

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The Frog Prince Level 7 Commenter 13 months ago

Ghost - If the last two plus years have been a dream, someone please slap the sh*t out of me and wake me up!

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Ghost32 Hub Author 13 months ago

Frog: Never said it was a GOOD dream! Now, for the study of "conscious dreaming" in which the dreamer learns to take control of the dream....

Oh! Yeah! Remember in November 2012!

Wow. Hijacked my own Hub. (*slaps self smartly across chops*) Knock it off!

Old Poolman profile image

Old Poolman Level 7 Commenter 13 months ago

Fred, next time I have to go through that live fire course I am going to take a 42" stick with me and find out for sure how high those guns are really shooting.

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The Frog Prince Level 7 Commenter 13 months ago

Ghost - That's the beauty of your own Hubs. It's hard to hijack what is yours. When you post a comment, it just appears. No approval needed. Viola!

Mike - I'm 6'2" of infantry soldier. Having been a drill sergeant, I can tell you that I can walk upright down the lane and not have a whisker shaved.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 13 months ago

You do that, Mike--and be sure to send Wiki-Leaks a copy of your report as soon as the Army lets you out of the stockade! ROFL!

You know, I'm thinking it's attitude like that, has something to do with why the Army won't let you re-up after you've been out for a while and get to a certain age...!!

Aha! Drill Sgt. Frog to the rescue!!

Why are we not surprised? Disappointed, definitely, bur surprised? Not so much....

Old Poolman profile image

Old Poolman Level 7 Commenter 13 months ago

FP, thanks for the info, that height question has been bothering me for over 50 years. Now I know I was right.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 13 months ago

Yep, Frog, thanks from here, too. Even if I did (and do) think 40 inches was way too high!

Of course, if it was me behind the M60s and/or having to talk to parents whose sons hadn't survived the course, I might maybe possibly have come to think differently....

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Ghost32 Hub Author 8 months ago

hybridjohn: I deleted/denied your comment due to its promotional content (including the link to a site you appeared to be promoting). As stated below, "Commets are not for promoting your Hubs or other sites".

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