How To End Up With Pet Kangaroo Rats

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By Ghost32

The Pair In The Pit

Having a kangaroo rat as a pet, let alone two of them, was not a goal. Truthfully, I was only interested in how to dig a small pit in which to bury a 55 gallon drum . When properly installed with plenty of surrounding gravel, lots of quarter inch drain holes, and a small pipeline from the camp trailer, the drum would handle our gray water perfectly while we're building our full sized, permanent home nearby.

My wife and I live in Cochise County, Arizona, off grid and just a mile or so from the Mexican border. Economic difficulties came down on us in early summer, and the pit was all I got done. You don't go buying loads of gravel or 55 gallon drums for gray water disposal when you don't have enough money left to eat properly. Thus the mini-pit sat "open" through most of the summer, with one accidental result being a short term swimming pool for a diving lizard. We have the money now to begin building...but the pit has provided an education.

Judging by the characteristic openings to burrows dug under various mesquite trees and other local flora, our acreage has lots and lots and lots of kangaroo rats in residence. Since they're nocturnal and we're mostly diurnal, however, we've seldom seen them. An exception has been late at night when I leave the camper (after shutting off the computer) to finally head for bed--I sleep in a separate storage shed to give Pam "her own bedroom", and my line of travel takes me directly past the little pit. Several times I'd seen kangaroo rats under the trailer, and for a little while, one adolescent seemed quite content to dive under the "sleeping shed" as a quick and easy alternative to digging all those burrows.

Pam and I both see the kangaroo rat as the cutest of all rodents, surpassing even the cottontail rabbit. Their long, black-tufted tails are much prettier than the bald pointy thing trailing around behind a Norway rat, for instance, and their humongous feet (in proportion to their little bodies) are...well...darling.

When I head for bed, it's my habit to shine my flashlight down into the mini-pit. Critters fall in there every so often. They never seem to suffer injury from the fall down the steep (but not quite vertical) sides, but neither do they seem to be able to get back out by themselves. Our desert grassland whiptail lizards do; they run up the sides like they were on level ground. But frogs and field mice and even young jackrabbits are just stuck there until I help them back out in one way or another. Last night, there was a baby kangaroo rat huddled down there, plus a little green frog. Pam and I decided to wait for daylight to get them out, and I called it a night.

Shortly after daylight, Pam looked out of her bathroom window to see a roadrunner eyeing the contents of the pit, obviously thinking it was nice of us to have provided it with a Breakfast Bowl. She snapped at the roadrunner, telling it not to even think about it, and the killer bird took off in a hurry.

Killer bird? Oh, yeah. This is not the roadrunner you see outwitting Wile E. Coyote. These birds are true and deadly predators to the max.

When I got up a bit later, I discovered we now had not one baby kangaroo rat in residence in the pit but two--two--two for the price of one!

The Babies In The Pit
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The Babies In The Pit

We Become Parents Once Again

It didn't take long to realize the babies in the pit were truly just that--they were much smaller than adult kangaroo rats, their fur was still shiny, and they simply acted like...babies. The scenario seemed obvious: Mommy Kanga had become some predator's midnight snack, the predator had missed the deep-burrow nest, and hunger had in turn driven these unwilling little adventurers into the open to seek food. They had no chance of surviving on their own.

Okay. What to use for a safety cage? One of our storage trailers yielded a five gallon platic bucket. Since this species burrows, I grabbed a shovel and filled the bottom of the bucket to a depth of several inches with good red Arizona clay. Then, after donning a pair of cowhide gloves "just in case", I eased down into the pit and eased the two into their new home.

One went right in. The other wasn't sure that was a good idea. But soon enough the orphans were running around inside the container, now and then digging next to the plastic "prison wall", clearly wondering what this whole Alcatraz thing was all about.

 

Ah man!  We're in Rat Prison, Dude!
Ah man! We're in Rat Prison, Dude!

Settling Right In

Before heading to town on a number of errands, I picked a few mesquite (and other) leaves. The little guys (or gals) started munching right away. While in town, a visit to the local pet store yielded two small plastic containers and a bag of parakeet seed--the smallest seed available in the store. Kangaroo rats have such effficient kidneys that they do not normally need to drink any water at all, but they do depend on fairly high humidity in their deep burrows in the wild. Since we're not sure just how humid we can keep their "bucket burrow", one container now holds a little water "just in case".

The parakeet seed was an immediate hit, at least with one of the pair--he/she climbed right into the feeding dish and sat there happily munching away. The other seems to think a bit differently, preferring a piece of lettuce from Pam's salad and munching dirt more often than not. Admittedly, it might not be actually eating the dirt. My eyes aren't that good. At any rate, it noses into the dirt like it's eating, so....

A couple of notes about the bucket cage: The screen we found to cover the top would be more than enough to keep the little folks from leaving...but maybe not enough to keep Kitten Precious from getting in. So I quick-like-a-bunny made a custom fitted "topper" from scrap 2 x 4 lumber that allows the babies to have a bit of air and light and also allows our extremely curious cat to perch on top...but not to reach our tiny Protected Species living in the bottom of the bucket. She seems to think she's their Mommy in a way, but we're not sure she's taken the proper parenting classes for mothering itsy bitsy rodents.

As to the little kangaroo rats themselves, they've already figured out Pam and I are not their enemies. I can stroke them lightly with a finger while they're eating, and they don't even bother to stop chewing. The first time I did this, their bodies felt cool to the touch, but after they'd had time to feed on the seeds for a while, they felt warmer. Very good indeed.

We really enjoy our new "children", but a few questions do seem rather obvious: They're becoming rather "tame" already; as adults, will they lack the terror of predators required to survive in the wild? Have we just become the Rat House of the West? What if one is a boy and one is a girl? Are we going to end up with a home full of ten thousand cute little ratlets?

The answers will come in time. For now, Cute Rules.

The screen top.  Our babies can't really be seen clearly in this shot, but they're sleeping side by side, just to the upper left of the yellow dish.
The screen top. Our babies can't really be seen clearly in this shot, but they're sleeping side by side, just to the upper left of the yellow dish.
Complete cage setup with catproof grate/perch in place. Kitten Precious seems to be listening to the kangaroo rats through the bucket wall at the moment, but she does spend a lot of time on the perch.
Complete cage setup with catproof grate/perch in place. Kitten Precious seems to be listening to the kangaroo rats through the bucket wall at the moment, but she does spend a lot of time on the perch.

Day Two: Moe Key Man

The bucket cage with 2 x 4 anti-cat guard proved highly effective...for about a day. By the end of that time, our big fat male Garfield type kitty, name of Moe Key Man, decided he was interested in our little Rodents In A Pail. Unlike Kitten Precious, who sees them as babies, Moe Key clearly sees them as...snacks. His "other" name, in addition to Moe Key, is Mo' Food!

At first, it looked like the wooden barrier would be enough, but the gluttonous lust for food can be overpowering whether you're a human contestant on The Biggest Loser or a furry feast lover of Specialty Rodent. Moe Key kept trying to figure it out, and he almost did. Pam saw him get under the outside corner of the square plastic screen housing and lift the whole thing up a bit. Left to his own devices, he could well have eventually boosted it high enough to slide completely off the bucket's top....

Since we didn't like that idea much, it was time to reinforce the Rat Protector. Note the concrete block in the photo below. An extra forty pounds should be enough to keep even Fat Boy's oversized appetite at bay. But for a few days, we'll be watching.

Moe Key Man studies the new security arrangement, figuring there has to be a way to break in....
Moe Key Man studies the new security arrangement, figuring there has to be a way to break in....

Handy Dandy

Day Three. When I brought our little troopers a fresh fistful of green leaves this morning, they began eating without hesitation. With an equal lack of hesitation and no apparent fear whatsoever, one of them sat on my hand for a good fifteen to twenty seconds, nibbling away at a mesquite leaf. The other one was willing to sniff at my fingers, but climb onto the hand? No thanks. Not today. Don't call me; I'll call you. Just leave the leaves.

And just like that, the rats named themselves: The hand-sitter is quite obviously Handy, the other one Dandy. So far, that's the only way any  of us can tell the siblings apart: If one climbs on your hand, the other one must be Dandy.

Moe Key Man cat, likewise sees them as Handy and Dandy...lunch. He's even gone to resting atop the Rat Protective anti-cat concrete block as shown in the two photos below.

I don't care how long it takes, he seems to be saying, I'll be waiting right here when they come out!

You know I'm not leaving my post, right, Dad?
You know I'm not leaving my post, right, Dad?
Come out, Snackers, come on out....
Come out, Snackers, come on out....

Day 8: The New Cage

Since I had to go to Bisbee anyway, it seemed logical to spend a few minutes checking out the discount stores for cage possibilities. Handy and Dandy still aren't large--in fact, kangaroo rats don't get all that large no matter what--but pretty soon that bucket just wasn't going to be large enough to do the job. Adults can jump up to nine feet in a single leap. While there's no way we could manage to get them nine feet of jumping room prior to moving into the house that has yet to be built, maybe we could get them two feet.

And so it happened.

The Family Dollar store had just the ticket, an 88 quart plastic Sterilite tote, one of those you can "sort of" see through. Translucent but not transparent. For nine bucks. When I got the tote home, out came the power drill. After punching half a dozen holes through each end of the plastic for air and removing the heavy anti-cat covers from the bucket cage, it was time to transfer our babies to their new home:

1. Taking each little critter from the bucket and carrying it cupped in my two hands to the tote, I noticed with pleased amazement that neither one of them evinced the slightest alarm....until being released in the new quarters.

2. After riding in familiar human hands in perfect confidence, suddenly being in unfamiliar surroundings (the new cage) produced obvious distress. They immediately began running the perimeter of the cage, looking for cover, scurrying, worrying.

3. It didn't take long for them to settle down, however. A matter of maybe ten minutes or so--which may be a couple of years in kangaroo rat time; who knows?

This did make us cautious, though. Our little critters do not like change. It will hopefully be a long time before we need to change cages on them again...

The cage in position.
The cage in position.
"Go! Go! Go!  Gotta be a way outa here!  Go!  Go!"
"Go! Go! Go! Gotta be a way outa here! Go! Go!"
"Why'd you stop so quick? I nearly rearended you!"
"Why'd you stop so quick? I nearly rearended you!"
"All right, let's be scientific about this.  You go that direction, I'll go this way."
"All right, let's be scientific about this. You go that direction, I'll go this way."
"Well...I guess this place might not be so bad.  You go ahead and eat; I'm just going to make sure things are okay up here...."
"Well...I guess this place might not be so bad. You go ahead and eat; I'm just going to make sure things are okay up here...."

Tunnel Booster

Our little critters kept trying and trying to dig burrows, but the soil inside the cage is just too loose to hold together well enough. As a result, they ended up sleeping huddled up in shallow foxhole type depressions, doing the best they could but clearly not exactly in their element. So I decided to experiment, see if I could give them a bit of help by introducing artificial tunnels.

The first attempt was one of those cardboard tubes you have left after the toilet paper is gone. Big hit! They were both in and out of the tiny, artificial tunnel constantly, although pretty soon it became obvious that one was taking over.

Try number two was a chunk of black two inch PVC pipe. We had several ten foot pieces, so a quick whack with a hacksaw, file off the edges, and bingo! Super Tunnel! The kangaroo rat not already hogging the toilet paper roll tube immediately appropriated the new, expanded condo. Happy rats! Separate bedrooms! Online articles had stated these rodents are solitary as adults, and they were clearly ready to grow up.

It'll be best if I can locate another tote like the one they're in, give them each their own entire cage. Unfortunately, the Family Dollar in Bisbee--where I bought that one--was out of that model today. Shucks. Well, in the meantime, no reason they couldn't have two chunks of PVC pipe, especially since the cardboard tube soon disappeared entirely, buried completely under the dirt. These diggers are serious about what they do. So a second piece of PVC was added...

...and this morning provided yet another surprise. We haven't seen them all day, because by the time we took off the lid to check on them this morning, they'd already gone to bed, being essentially nocturnal by nature. The surprise part was that they'd closed and locked their doors for the day! One end of each tube was completely buried and even the higher end was thoroughly blocked with dirt. Which explains how they're able to sleep safely without being constantly swallowed by predators during their naptime: They literally bury themselves! Having never read about this aspect of their behavior in any other textbook or article, it makes one wonder if perhaps we've just made a scientific discovery?

Our reclusive little roomies are still very much alive even though we're not likely to see them that often any more. How do we know they're still alive? This evening, the lettuce had been moved--some of it no doubt eaten, and quite a bit of it buried.

So I poured out a fresh batch of parakeet seed for them to discover after it's dark enough for them. Bet that's buried by morning, too.

Tucked in for the day, lights out inside the pipes!
Tucked in for the day, lights out inside the pipes!
Not even the lettuce could tempt them this time....
Not even the lettuce could tempt them this time....

The Kangaroo Rats Come Of Age

How long have Handy and Dandy been living with us? Hm. They came to our attention on September third, and today is September twenty-fourth, so...yup.  Three weeks to the day.  And on this day, there  is news about the two cuties, which comes in two parts.

Part One involves our decision to separate them. They'd settled in nicely, but the fact that they tended to occupy separate tube-tunnels as if they were members of the same apartment building but seldom spoke to their next door neighbors...that tended to make us think they were ready for a little "solo time". Not to mention the fact that like all rodents, kangaroo rats are early and prolific breeders. What if we had one boy and one girl? The only way to avoid having to murder baby ratlets on a contiinuous basis was to get them separate cages, and lo and behold, it was done ten days or so ago.  Hopefully, we thought, it had been done in time. 

As the days passed, Handy (the friendlier rat of the two) became Pam's special baby.  While Dandy spent much more time denning in his PVC tube-tunnel, Handy would come out regularly.  Every morning Pam would give her (we figured out she was a she as you will see) fresh lettuce, which she would promptly begin eating.  The bonding was both powerful and beneficial. 

At first, my wife decided Handy was female because Dandy's cage developed a stronger odor.  Boys and their body stinks, right?  So by default, Handy had to be  a not-bad-smelling girl rat.  Which she proved last night by jumping endlessly in her cage, bumping her little head against the top.  Apparently she'd been doing this for about three days--according to Pam, though I hand't realized--but last night things came to a head. 

"I think she's in heat," I told  my lady.  "We're going to have to release her, let  her fulfill her biological imperative."  Or  words  to that  effect.  

Neither of us dared release  her during the night, however.  That's when the predators, including rat eating snakes of all  sorts, are most active.  No way.  So after I went to bed in my shed, Pam cried for four or five hours until dawn arrived, heartbroken at the prospect of losing her favorite ratlet.  Knowing it was the right, the only thing to do...didn't help much. 

After Pam called me at daybreak, we lugged the tote full of red hot amorous kangaroo rat and about 120 pounds of dirt  out to the...uh..dirt.  It didn't take our girl long to say thanks, grab one last nibble of lettuce and scoot scoot scoot to her native habitat. 

You go, girl.

Which leaves my Pammie with her slightly stinky boy rat.  Story of her life,  if I'm not mistaken.

This looks different.  Think I'll stick my head out of the far end of the tube-tunnel and see what's up.
This looks different. Think I'll stick my head out of the far end of the tube-tunnel and see what's up.
I'll be there in a minute, Mom.
I'll be there in a minute, Mom.
Or maybe not.  I need to hide in the tube and think about this.
Or maybe not. I need to hide in the tube and think about this.
Hey, Dad put me out on the ground, right in my tube!  I'm still hiding, but I think I'm impressed.
Hey, Dad put me out on the ground, right in my tube! I'm still hiding, but I think I'm impressed.
One last nibble of Mom's lettuce....
One last nibble of Mom's lettuce....
...and I'm OFF!!
...and I'm OFF!!
(scoot) under the camp trailer ...(scoot) under the Subaru ...and finally (scoot) under the big mesquite tree in our front yard, perfect kangaroo rat turf.  Happy times!
(scoot) under the camp trailer ...(scoot) under the Subaru ...and finally (scoot) under the big mesquite tree in our front yard, perfect kangaroo rat turf. Happy times!

Final Update: October 18, 2009

We returned our remaining little kangaroo rat to the wild today. Sorry, no photos of the release. The camera was full up at the time, we needed to get it done, and.... I will say, after reviewing the photos of the female's release, that Dandy (the boy rat) had grown magnificently larger and was a stunningly beautiful, mature specimen as he hit the street. Er, land.

We took him out by the mesquite tree shown in the above photo, carrying him in his PVC "sleeping tube". Since he didn't know what was going on, he of course didn't want to leave the safety of his plastic "burrow". When I finally spilled him out, gently and tail first, he huddled close to our hands for a time and then took cover between my legs to figure out his next move. We'd decided it was time for him to go just minutes earlier after Pam reported he'd no longer let her touch him, and it turned out we were right.

His first big move was to take off away from the mesquite, out over the open terrain, vulnerable to a raptor that way--but of course we were both keeping a sharp watch. He moved in long, low, patented kangaroo rat leaps, some zippety-hops as long as six feet each. Couldn't do that in his two foot cage! Then he reversed, came about halfway back toward us, and you could see him deciding,

"No, I can't go back to Mom and Dad now; it's time for me to strike out on my own."

Which he did. Cutting off at a thirty degree angle, he headed for the tall timber. Well, tall timber to a little kanga: Plenty of mesquite and other bushes, but also a total ground cover of many, many square feet of bunchgrass. I could see his progress by the waving grass tops for a good thirty feet "inland", and then we lost contact.

Pam cried a lot.

Comments

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Storytellersrus Level 7 Commenter 2 years ago

Wow, what a lot of detailed and wonderful information. I had no idea you could even turn wild rats into pets- I'm thinking they won't transition... And the bit about the road runner fascinates me, as I was definitely into the Wile E. Coyote road runner. Thanks!

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Ghost32 Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks for the Comment--we're not at all sure they'll transition to "pet" status, either. A few points, however:

1. Even though the title refers to them as pets, keeping them as such is not our goal. We simply couldn't leave them to die unprotected in the wild.

2. They already accept light stroking (after less than 24 hours) when either eating or sleeping (which, being babies, they do quite a bit).

3. Since they have no parent to help them learn predator avoidance and whatever additional skills may be learned from Mommy rather than purely instinctive, we may have no choice but to continue with their care and feeding indefinitely.

4. In our small camp trailer, where we presently reside, there would certainly be no opportunity for them to run around on us or over us as our little buddies, cute or not. We have two cats (and a caged leopard gecko) in here as well. The female tabby think's she's their mother (by the way she acts), but the male clearly sees them as potential snacks.

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Ivorwen Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago

I always enjoyed the Kangaroo rats that I grew up with. They never bothered the house, like the field mice did.

sbeakr 2 years ago

This was such a fun read! I'm a little gaga over baby animal rescue-stories...I've loved these kanga rats since I first saw a picture of one when I was teeny myself. Never gotten to meet one in person though! :)

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Ghost32 Hub Author 2 years ago

Yeah, they're definitely cool little critters. They're getting livelier already--this is Day Three--and less interested in having me loom over them. As far as we can tell so far, the only reason they don't jump right out of the "bucket cage" is because they're geared for long escape jumps instead of going up straight in the air to fall back into a predator's open mouth. Adults are supposed to be able to jump nine feet at a hop. Which means they'll probably need a lo-ong cage for exercise eventually!

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jiberish 2 years ago

How cute, and such a wonderful story. Keep us posted as to their progress.

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dohn121 Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

I can't wait for more updates on these guys. You're right, they certainly are good looking! This is the first time I'm seeing some baby kangaroo rats. Hey! Whaddaya expect? I'm from da city! OH! Fugghedaboutit!

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Ghost32 Hub Author 2 years ago

Day Three, continued. The little guys (gals?) seem to be already growing by leaps and bounds. They're a lot more aware of any movement around them now that the initial trauma of No Mama is past, so I haven't tried stroking them today...but I did hold a finger down near their noses--and they sniffed at the finger with considerable interest.

No, they did not bite! Seen from above, they're "all head", and a white rim-band runs back from the tip of the nose all the way to, oh, I dunno, somewhere under the eye.

Also picked 'em a fresh batch of greens, mesquite leaves and small leaves from another common bush around here. They went right at the mesquite leaves. Gotta have their daily chlorophyll, doncha know.

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Wealthmadehealthy Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

LOL Living in the wild does produce it's own entertainment, I'll give you that! Never even heard of a kangaroo rat before, interesting little creatures...If they are jumpers, maybe doing some research on their natural habitat and enemies might give you a way to release them eventually into the wild again..I know I rescued a baby cardinal once while living up in the mts and it grew in a glass cage cause that is all I had. One day it looked old enough to fly away and as much as I loved it as a pet, I released it into a small tree to see if it could fly...A few tries and it was on its way...Even tho I had fed it since a baby, I had confidence in it's natural ability to survive...It was hard on me and I missed it, but it was the best thing to do...What they probably need to learn is how to jump...they are already proficient in digging in the soil.....Just keep that Mo kitty away!! I am sure these little additions are a source of MUCH watching for them both (cringe) Great hub.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 2 years ago

You make sense about being able to return the cardinal to the wild. And our little guys know how to jump already. But the problem would be mental conditioning. Our Moe Man cat can't reach them, and they've already learned they can ignore his presence. If because of that they assumed a bobcat was no threat, they're lunch.

We're not sure at all they could protect themselves in the wild later on. But if not, they should be able to enjoy themselves with the humongous cage I intend to build for them in the new house I'm about to start building!

Additionally, they're acclimating to us humans rather well already. When I brought them a fresh fistful of green leaves this morning, they not began eating immediately--but when I held my hand down close, one of them climbed right up onto my fingers without the slightest fear. The other one...not so much. Sniff test only.

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habee Level 7 Commenter 2 years ago

I like you, Ghost. What you did for those tiny creatures says a lot about the kind of person you are. I do stuff like that, too.

Great hub!

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Ghost32 Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks, Habee. Naturally, it depends on who you talk to--there are those who'd be happy to describe me in much less flattering terms. But it does look like Pam and I are in solid with the kangaroo rat vote, at least for now.

The day after releasing Miss Handy, I took a look under "her" big mesquite tree and found two fresh dirt piles marking two fresh tunnels, quite possibly hers.

Our remaining resident, Mister Dandy, was always a bit more reclusive but seems to come out even less since Handy left. He could either be missing his sister's bustling around, which he could see from his cage...or he could just be a bit miffed because HE wasn't the one to get that romantic rat action when she came into heat. After all, not only are some guys real rats, but some real rats are guys...:D

Crazdwriter 2 years ago

They are toooo cute. Next time you have kangaroo rat babies send them my way lol yea maybe not..hubby would be mad and cats would think snack time lol. Do you still see the babies?

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cally2 2 years ago

Ghost what a beautiful hub. I've never even heard of kangaroo rats before but you can bet I'll be looking out for them in the future. You have a good heart and I'm sending you love from the other side of the world

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Ghost32 Hub Author 2 years ago

Crazd, we haven't seen the girl (Handy) since she went off to have babies of her own. The boy (Dandy) still lives with us. Pam gives him fresh lettuce every morning, doesn't see him come out to greet her every time, but this a.m. (she reports) he did, sniffed her fingers, got up and sat on her hand, and gave her hand a little rat thank you kiss before settling down to eat.

Cally, love is good no matter what corner of the world it comes from. I'd heard of kangaroo rats before but had not lived on their turf until now (specifically as of April 18, 2009). This place teems with wildlife, but the k-rats are definitely our favorite native critters to date.

legomonkey 2 years ago

I did a report on Kangaroo Rats.

Sounds like a neat experience.

Why didn't you just buy a hamster cage.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 2 years ago

Totes were cheaper and when half filled with dirt provide the k-rat a place to dig in his native environment, just on a smaller scale.

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Joy At Home Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago

I'll trade you a kangaroo rat for another cat. I much prefer rodents over felines.

But I guess Pam would miss her little stinky boy rat, wouldn't she? At least, if she's like most of us girls, she tends to get attached to certain cute and somewhat playful males. ;-)

sierra  2 years ago

the rats are cute my mom and dad think they look silly and feel silly becouse ther tails get kind of stiky and long as they grow and as the get biger and biger................LOVE IT

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Ghost32 Hub Author 2 years ago

Yes, Joy, Pam would miss her little stinky boy rat very much. As to the cute and playful males part, no comment!

Sierra, glad you enjoyed the presentation.

sylvia 2 years ago

that was a lovely story, Ghost.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks, Sylvia. This happened during our first summer on the acreage, along with quite a few other critter related experiences (including encounters with Mojave green rattlesnakes, some of our kangaroo rats' deadliest enemies). Who knows what 2010 has in store....

rob 18 months ago

hello...i hope u still check this seems like all the comments are from a year ago...but my girlfriend and I live in tucson..we used to live in cochise county as well. anyways the other night she came running in here grabed a little bowl and ran back outside..and came back with a little kangaroo rat. not knowing what to do we hopped to the internet and found this..very very helpfull indeed..we tried to feed it and it didn't eat anything the first night..so we thought we where doing more harm than good to the little baby but ur info helped a lot and we got him some food and he's happily munching away. my girlfriend was very happy to see someone else having them as a pet as well, she felt guilty but then i told her that u ended up releasing them and she got sad...so im wondering do u think it would be a bad idea to keep him as a permanent pet? or is that not fair to the kangaroo rat? i feel he would be happier/safer here but idk...my e-mail is Gadangasaur@hotmail.com if u would like to e-mail more..or just reply on ur webpage here i'll check back every so often thank you very much

520 for life

rob

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Ghost32 Hub Author 18 months ago

Yep, Rob, I check these comments daily. There were several SPAM comments left (just above yours) but those don't show when I check the "My Account" page at HubPages...so I didn't know they were there.

As for keeping him as a permanent pet: From our experience (as detailed above), I'd have to say that could go either way. Your baby may be either boy or girl (unless you know how to sex 'em; we surely don't). If it's a girl, when she matures enough to go hormone-nuts for impregnation, you won't be able to ignore her obvious distress.

If it's a boy, you MIGHT be able to keep him without a major problem--but again, based on our experience, he'll mature to a point where he no longer appreciates being touched by a human...which does rather take a bit of the fun out of things. However, our boy rat didn't seem terribly distressed at that point--certainly not like the girl--just reclusive. As in, leave me alone and we'll all get along just fine.

Best "plan" I can suggest is to simply be prepared, then wait and see how things go.

Of course, since ours were a pair, we COULD have kept them AND kept both of them happy...by letting them together to mate. But then we'd have ended up with thousands of kangaroo rats, and we're not set up for that.

NOTE: If you guys take pictures of your little guy and want to email me one or more of 'em, I'd gladly add a new section to the original hub, give you credit of course, and post the pics on this page. The more the merrier when it comes to kangaroo rats--they've gotta be the coolest rodents on the planet.

Roland Wolff 18 months ago

My email: roland.wolff@colostate.edu

A question, actually: Do you know of anyone who has these little critters for sale? I'd really like to get some, having kept/raised a number of small mammals over the years. Thanks!

Roland Wolff

roland.wolff@colostate.edu

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Ghost32 Hub Author 18 months ago

No, Roland, I really don't. In fact, I'd never even SEEN a kangaroo rat (except on TV) before we moved to this desert acreage in April of 2009.

However, a couple of possibilities did pop when I just now Googled "Kangaroo Rats For Sale". You might try that.

katie pichler 17 months ago

What a neat story! How cute they are OMG! I just wonder what happened to the little green frog...I live in colorado and we get a ton of chorus frogs in our pool every spring, they breed like crazy and finally last year I biult a pond to put the tadpoles in so that they wouldn't die when my mom chlorinates the pool for human use. We will see next spring if any come back as adult frogs. Its amazing in the arid climates of the southwest how many little animals survive, and if you put out a source of water, they will find it from near and far. Cheers!

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Ghost32 Hub Author 17 months ago

They are defiitely cute.

We avoid putting water out, though. It would be a race to see which group took advantage first: A new batch of mosquito larvae, or a new batch of north-trekking illegal immigrants....

Your chorus frog experiment does sound pretty cool.

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50 Caliber Level 7 Commenter 16 months ago

Most excellent tail of two roo rats here in he desert. I rescued a dumped, Fiest or rat terrier, you pick the name as to me they seem to be one and the same. I think the difference is in their attitude as hunters, one for ground rodents and one likes the tree rats (squirrel) so I can't imagine one dumping such a small young dog. I took her to the vet and he did the blood work for heart worms and all, said she was under a year old and most definitely of pure breeding Rat Terrier/Fiest and told me that they were one and the same and to choose what I liked for the breed name, well being a rat myself, I went with rat terrier. I started her through the process of feeding her up after all applicable shots and vet check was done. I keep 3 Rottys and pick up dumped dogs on the dirt trail to my hole in the ground. She was one and I had her figured for fattening up and trying to adopt her at the week end flea market as I do others I find that are still healthy enough to redeem. Sadly some have to be put down. Anyway after she got where I could approach her and actually touch her and being so young I expected playfulness of a puppy, but she was a shy one and very light play was all you could, and now a year later, can do, but put a small rope with a knot on both ends she's down for tug o war that's her game, and Taffy is now her name. Strangers can't touch her, rendering her not adoptable as who wants a dog they can't touch? Anyway she is a my dog now. After living in this desert most of my life and spending a lot of time out doors, I had seen Kangaroo Rats at the Tucson desert museum, but never one in the wild. Now with my rat/feist when swinging in my hammock I see them all the time, she goes and digs them out and brings them to me and she doesn't hurt them, she is just showing off. So now I keep gloves handy cuz I don't want to be bitten by a roo rat as I take the prize from her and pet it and reach in my shirt pocket and give taffy a treat then let the roo rat go. She'll just watch it run off as if her job has been done.

What a comment to say "yep I see them now"

Great hub! Peace 50

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Ghost32 Hub Author 16 months ago

Awesome Taffy-tale! Both Pam and I've seen dogs (and cats) that would bring home prizes to show off, but not so gently!

In fact, when Pam lived about 15 miles from here with her ex, back in the day, her alpha male Great Dane, Thor, would bring home javelinas to show her--unfortunately for the skunk pigs, though, he only brought the heads.

We see kangaroo rat holes all the time, but not one additional live longtail since we moved out of the camper and into the house.

Candace 15 months ago

Hello! Loved your story. I am in Cactus Springs, Nv and found an abandoned kangaroo rat while out weeding two days ago. It looks just like yours but it's eyes are not open. I've been feeding it a formula I found on line and so far so good. My cat too, wants to eat the baby, so I have to keep it well protected. I would think by now it would have its eyes open, as it is fully furred, and I'm now beginning to think it may have been abandoned because it has a physical deformaty. I have not been able to find any info on how old kangaroo rats are before they open their eyes. If you know could you please e-mail me at: candaceeross@yahoo.com Thank you!

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Ghost32 Hub Author 15 months ago

Candace, I don't have a clue as to how old the babies are when their eyes open. I'll try the same thing you did, online search a bit, see if I get lucky--but it's obviously a long shot.

Either way (success or none), I'll drop you an email.

If your baby grows up okay but never does open it's eyes, let's hope it's a boy. When the girls go into heat, they go nuts (wanting to get pregnant).

But that's for later. I'm off to do research....

I'm back! Decided to just go for "baby rats" instead of trying for kangaroo rats. Here's a link and the key quote:

http://www.worldofrats.com/ROUSBreedingFAQ5.html

Q: When do baby rats open their eyes?

A: Baby rats open their eyes around two weeks of age or so. They’ll often begin as just a thin crack in the eyelid and sometimes one eye will open before the other.

Sean 13 months ago

I just found this article. I am proud to say I also have 2 k-rats living with us. I have a female I found as a pup almost 6 years ago and who is still going strong, although slowing down a bit, and a male I found last summer. Both were found while road cruising New Mexico for snakes. Kay, the older female was a few days old when found on the side of the road. I actually brought her home as snake food but just fell in love with her. Howie, the male was slightly older when he was adopted so is still a bit more wild than Kay, but still manageable. I can say, without a doubt, k-rats are the best, small rodent pet. I have handled many and have never been bitten. Overall, they are just amazing little animals.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 13 months ago

That's awesome, that you still have the both of them; they truly are amazin critters. So, did Kay go as hormonal nuts when she came into heat as our little girl did?

Sean 13 months ago

I've honestly never noticed. She's always been very tame and likes to be held. Now that she is older, she has become very mellow. I'm starting to now wonder how much longer she will be with us. I never imagined 6 years so far.

FYI. The only thing she has ever been fed is wild bird seed. I also make sure she has pieces of wood to chew on.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 13 months ago

Yes, six years is absolutely awesome.

Maybe our little girl was just a born nymphomaniac, but when she was ready to be bred, she made that fact ABUNDANTLY clear. Or it could be that the mesquite (and other) leaves we were feeding (along with parakeet seed) has aphrodisiac qualities for a kangaroo rat.

Never thought about giving them pieces of wood for chewing. Will keep that in mind just in case we ever adopt another pair of babies!

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magnoliazz Level 2 Commenter 13 months ago

I loved this hub!! To save two little rats like that says a lot about you and Pam. Maybe your little buddies will stop back every now and then to say hello. I am betting that they did not go all that far away.

You did the right thing letting the female go when she came into heat. I have several female guinea pigs and they go beserk when they come into heat, the squeal and act goofy all night long for what seems like days...LOL!!

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Ghost32 Hub Author 13 months ago

Heh! Just started laughing about your "squeal and act goofy" line. You know, thinking that it would be have been helpful, back in my girl-chasing days, if human females made it that obvious. People tell me I missed more signals....

Our little kangas may or may not have swung back by to see us, but their relatives have burrows all over our four acres. Haven't seen any of the critters since we moved into the house, though, partly (I'm sure) because I have much less reason to be wandering the premises by flashlight after midnight now....

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Mrs. J. B. 13 months ago

Oustanding hub with lots of laughs, tears for Handy and Dandy's return to the wild and paws up to Mo' for playing security guard.. LOL. Mo' on top of the box was priceless. You my friend crack me up. Your sense of humor is right up my alley.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 13 months ago

Glad you approve! Moe Key Man had to be euthanized in October of 2010 (due to old age problems); his remains were interred in a home built wooden sarcophagus lined with a soft towel and protected by a complete encasement of concrete stucco (4 bags full!) plus a wheelbarrow load of rocks (in place of dirt) to finish filling around the tomb.

However, Pam and I happen to believe in reincarnation and have no doubt whatsover that he came back to us in November of 2010 as Gato, a kitten who looks nothing like Moe Key but who knows quite well who we are AND who he is. He does have a number of Moe Key personality traits.

And a couple of days before he showed up (at Pam's son's place, under the hood of a car where his feral Mommy freaked out and abandoned him and his brother), he asked Pam in a dream,

"I'm back. Do you still want me there?"

"Of course!" She exclaimed. "Any time, as soon as you can!"

Pretty cool, huh?

Becky 12 months ago

They look just like my daughter's gerbils. I wonder how closely they are related. The gerbils are adorable and keep us entertained whenever she gets them out of their cage. Run all over, up and down your clothes. In and out of your clothes. I had to dig one out of the sleeve of my robe and I was wearing it at the time. They also like to go "cleavage" jumping. She gets all shook up about that but I think it is funny.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 12 months ago

Cleavage jumping--now, that's hilarious. At least if you're a guy in "spectator only" mode, anyway.

No idea how close the relationship between k-rats and gerbils might be. Can the gerbils jump nine feet at a single bounce?

Becky 12 months ago

Cleavage jumping is not funny with 14 year old not comfortable with their bodies yet girls.

No, the gerbils don't jump far and they don't even seem to want to run off of you like hamsters do. They just run all over.

I did notice something about cats and dogs that would bring prizes back to their owners.I had a dog that would go find the escaped hamsters and bring them back to us safe and sound but very wet. All we had to do when a hamster escaped was tell her to go find it. She even found the one in her dog food bag. Brought the pet bunny back too. Kids always had escapees. Best dog we ever had. She even went after the 2 year old when she would take off. Kept me from having to break a sweat in the AZ desert.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 12 months ago

No, I suppose not. You hadn't mentioned her age; I was thinking adult.

Heh! I had an escapee bunny one time, but the dog didn't bring it back. Just killed it.

Becky 12 months ago

We have had a lot of escapees. One bunny we had was gone for a week and then we found it up on the deck, staring in the french doors off the kitchen. She got hungry. I never did figure out how she got up those steps. 16 steep ones. She was just a dwarf rabbit. She got out again and we would catch a glimpse of her in the basement once in a while but couldn't catch her.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 12 months ago

Up the steps? Via the Bunny Hop, no doubt? :)

Valens 9 months ago

Wow,what's a unique pets ! Where's can i buy it sir? or get it maybe,hehe...

i'm from indonesia,,and wow..i'm in love with the kangaroo rat

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Ghost32 Hub Author 9 months ago

We released ours back to the wild because it seemed like they were ready for that and would prefer not to remain in captivitiy.

However, if you Google "Kangaroo rats for sale", there are numerous hits that come up. You might try that.

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MizBejabbers Level 4 Commenter 9 months ago

Loved your story. It convinces me that I am going to have to do more research on these little critters. We live in an underground house in the mid-South. We found a nest of baby kangaroo mice in some old teacups in the top of our cabinets. Fortunately for them, they were old enough to survive because our mouser, a black Siamese-Persian mix had made quick work of their mother a day or two before. We kept them in a large stockpot until they were large enough for a cage. We had no idea (from your article) that they liked to live in dirt, but they took to a large medicine bottle stuffed with dryer lint for a bed. They thrived on the diet of dry oats mixed with peanut butter and honey, but recently we started trying vegetables, and they both said "phooey" to baby carrot strips. They also like crackers with peanut butter, but don't care for cheese. They provide hours of entertainment if we happen to be up that late. The cage has a wheel and at night it goes constantly, with one mouse favoring it more than the other. One evening one was running the wheel when the other hopped on, and the first mouse went flying to the other side of the cage like a circus performer. They have to be a pair, because the little girl had her first litter before we realized she was mature enough to breed. Apparently she was too young and inexperienced to care for babies because all died within three days. They allow us to pet them but they don't like to be picked up. And, as my husband commented, "those suckers can jump!", so we have to be careful about removing them from the cage. I guess we have pet mice, as neither of us is willing to return them to the wilds. I'll probably be referring to your story again and again for reference on raising our mice. Thanks!

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Ghost32 Hub Author 9 months ago

Very cool story...but the kangaroo MOUSE and the kangaroo RAT are not quite the same critter. Closely related, both able to jump a country mile, but different species nonetheless.

So sayeth Wikipedia! :)

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MizBejabbers Level 4 Commenter 9 months ago

Not related at all? I didn't know that. Just proof that I would profit from more research. Your rats are cuter than my mice. Mine look like the long-nosed, beady-eyed mice in the cartoons and have long curving back legs resembling the legs on a kangaroo. A couple of weeks later, we caught some baby gray house mice and tried to tame them, so we had a basis for a comparison. The features of the gray mice were much rounder than the kangaroos, such as rounder heads, shorter noses, and larger, less protruding eyes. The temperament was entirely different. The gray mice easily escaped from the same-size cage and were gone overnight, although they were about the same size as the kangaroos. The kangaroos seem very contented with their cage.

Thanks for the info.

Becky 9 months ago

We had a house mouse move in with our male hamster. I don't know how she got in and out of the cage but she had babies in the cage is when we found out about her. We called them mousesters.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 9 months ago

They ARE related, and closely, but one is rats and one is mice.

Interesting gray-vs.-kangaroo comparison test you had there!

Becky: LOL! Love the "mousesters".

MizBejabbers 9 months ago

Becky: Mousters? You mean that they did breed and that the mouse wasn't pregnant before entering the cage? That is interesting.

Ghost: I guess my house mice and the kangaroo could produce from a mating. Could we have some "grayroos" if we put them in the same cage? We have caught some mice lately that I can't identify. They look like they might be a cross-breed between the two.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 9 months ago

I think Becky called them "mousesters" just because the mouses were born in the hamster cage.

Becky 9 months ago

They were half hamster and half mouse. You could see it in the way they looked.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 9 months ago

Hah! Shows you how sharp I am! I had NO CLUE that's what you were saying!

Ain't love grand!

Bec 8 months ago

OMG, that is so cute! I would absolutely LOVE a pet Kangaroo Rat! How big were Handy and Dandy when you first found them?

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Ghost32 Hub Author 8 months ago

Ummm...they were pretty tiny. Maybe an inch to an inch and a half long, not counting the awesome tails.

Bec 8 months ago

Is it true that their tails are longer than the rest of them?

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Ghost32 Hub Author 8 months ago

Yes indeed!

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AliciaC Level 7 Commenter 7 months ago

This is a fascinating hub! I love the photos and your description of taking care of the two kangaroo rats. It's wonderful that you gave them a good start to their lives. Kangaroo rats are interesting animals!

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Ghost32 Hub Author 7 months ago

They are indeed interesting critters. We still miss 'em.

Thanks for commenting!

sad to see them go 7 months ago

I just came across this hub while looking for info on how to (TRY) keep my last 9 kangaroo rats from (seemingly inevitably) becoming extinct in my house! To make a long story short, about 3 yrs ago I came home and saw a crowd of people standing around, by the dumpster...my friend and I walked over and there were two mice running in a small area - apparently previously confined...I cldn't abandon them in their time of need, so I quickly ran inside and grabbed a plastic tote - similar to the one you used, but solid colored...a temporary home that was quickly updated to a 10 gallon fish aquarium...still thinking these were mice, I housed them accordingly. However, unlike you, I did not seperate them and before I knew it, I had MANY mice...I shld say, one was all white and one was a tanish color with a white underbelly...that one, along with her tail and back feet, wld later lead to her I'd as a kangaroo rat! Sooo COOL! Well, my TWO found pets turned into 45 and a lot of work AND A TON of fun...I did some homework on these incredibly cute little rodents and took care of them to the best of my ability...sadly, however, the original "mom" died shortly after birthing a couple litters and "Grandpa"-as he wld later be known as- died about a year or so later. I have had a lot of fun with them all and most of them were very friendly - although a few bit on occasion...many of them were named based on their personalities...Rambo and Sleepy were together most of their lives - and, tragically, died, within an hour of each other, two days ago...leaving me only 9 left and DESPERATELY TRYING to figure out how to stop the aforementioned "seemingly inevitable" extinction taking place...I can not even begin to describe how much I've loved these little ones and how much they've loved me back! Very early on I taught them to respond to a "kissing sound", in case they got out I would have a way of "communicating" with them so I cld get them before the cats...and get out they did! Turns out these little creatures have VERY BIG teeth - with which they love to chew...especially thru the walls of their houses!! So many stories...so little time! These guys are absolutely adorable, and if I cld go back in time, there's a few things I wld do different...like NEVER, EVER buy them the "fluffy" bedding they sell - for small pets, specifically rodents - at the pet store...that stuff caused a couple horrifying deaths and many deaths due to "intestinal distress", strangled one, and wrapped around the foot of one so he cldn't move...I was away over night and came home to find my poor "Coke's" lifeless body! (Coke...as in Coke and Cola...as in the Coca-cola bears cause that's what him and his partner reminded me of!) Cola...as of today...lives on...alone...she's had other roommates, but they, too, have passed on. Adult "k-rats, as it turns out, prefer either a single partner or to be alone...although I've read that they're "communal", they're not; although I do have one cage that has three in it...as sad as I am after losing Rambo and Sleepy, and all those who've gone before them...I would do it again in a heartbeat...these guys are awesome...very smart and oh so much fun!!

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Ghost32 Hub Author 7 months ago

sad to see them go: Wow. 45? I'm impressed!

The only differences I can see between the way you "did things" for your little guys and gals and our method would be:

1. We kind of knew we'd best get them separated before the girl came in heat. Which we did, with two or three weeks to spare.

2. Seemed like if they lived in local dirt outside, using local dirt for their cages (i.e. totes) ought to work for them, too, so we just shoveled a few inches of dirt in a container and called it "home".

3. It was pretty clear to us when ours were ready to head back to the wild, so we never tried keeping them long term.

They were definitely fun while they were with us, though.

10isbohy 3 months ago

Read your story, made my eyes water, loved it

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Thank you.

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MizBejabbers Level 4 Commenter 3 months ago

Ghose32 and sad to see them go, you both had better luck with your kangaroos than I had with my kangaroo mice. My four kept getting out and we would retrieve them. Finally the cat got one. One had a litter, but she must have mated with a house mouse while on the lam because it looked like a half-breed. We kept her one surviving baby in a separate cage after he was weaned, but he didn't live long. They all eventually died. We had a couple of house mice and their babys. It was mama's 3rd litter, and then she died. Our mice don't seem to live very long. They don't like the commercial food, instead they prefer oats, raisins and corn chips. That may be why they don't survive. They prefer ripping up paper towels for bedding, so we haven't had any problems there. Good luck ststg!

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Ghost32 Hub Author 3 months ago

Sorry to hear your mousies weren't much into longevity.

We've not even SEEN a kangaroo rat here since we released Dandy back to the wild, most likely 'cause the sightings were at night (usually, except for the babies in the pit) when I'd be going back and forth between the camp trailer and the storage shed where I slept at the time. Now that we're in the house I built, we don't seem to cross paths.

But we do se a LOT of their holes, and in one case, a coyote snacked on a bunch of 'em. Dug them right out from their burrows beneath a little mesquite tree.

Klee 2 months ago

That is such a nice story! I'm really glad that you got them back out in the wild, though.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 2 months ago

So are we, though Pam still cries at times from missing them.

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