How To Build A Battery Bank Box On The Cheap

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By Ghost32

Going Green Without Much Green

It's one thing to "go green" with a bank of twelve volt batteries powered by a wind turbine but quite another to figure out how to do that without breaking the bank at the same time. My wife and I moved onto our remote desert acreage in April and soon decided wind was the way to go. But....

When you read about electrical power produced via small wind turbines, you find articles wherein the authors express delight at their economical installations. We're not talking about the books for sale online which boast that you can make your own power for two or three hundred bucks. Maybe you can; maybe you can't. One thing is for sure: Whoever is selling the books will make a few bucks. However, those are promoting plans to allow the homeowner to build his/her own system from almost nothing. I'm not interested in those. One does amuse me considerably, and that's the one promising to tell you (among other things) how to "get 25 free batteries".

Uh-huh. That may well be possible, but anyone who's ever been an auto mechanic knows that you're asking for trouble if you're using unmatched batteries in sets such as the battery bank groupings which are the heart and Soul of any solar or wind power system. You may very well get 'em for free...and if you do, they'll be worth exactly what you paid for them.

No, I wanted a wind turbine, but a commercial model. Such systems can cost around $30,000 easily enough, with some homeowners feeling very proud of themselves for managing an installation that cost only $16,000.

Again, "Uh-huh."

Having to spend that much money made no more sense to me than being able to get off scot free. After studying equipment components available online for several months, I began to believe a solid system could be installed for something like $2,500...if everything went right. Will that number pan out? We'll let you know after the system is up and running. Right now, things seem to be on target. The turbine, controller, and inverter have all been ordered and paid for. The batteries were picked up from Sam's Club in Tucson for $638 (including tax and rounded to the nearest dollar). A watt meter to measure turbine output is also on order, and tomorrow I'll be calling suppliers to see about ordering the necessary battery cables.

The batteries themselves are made by Interstate, a brand Pam and I both know and trust since Interstate batteries are common in the trucking industry. They're not twelve volt units, however, but rather six volt deep cycle units made for powering golf carts. Connected properly, eight six volt batteries will soon become four twelve volt batteries and provide 840 amp hours of reserve power.

But they needed a home.

The battery bank in need of a box to serve as Battery Bank House.
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The battery bank in need of a box to serve as Battery Bank House.

The Box Building Budget

Don't you just love it when a salesman asks you, "What would you like to spend?" When it comes to containers designed to house a battery bank, commercial versions are definitely available...for two or three hundred bucks. Not to mention, good luck finding exactly the right container for your exact application. In our case, it took a trip to Home Depot and another to Wal-Mart. At Home Depot, a seven dollar sheet of wafer board sheathing plus a number of pieces of cull 2" x 4" lumber did the trick. Add a cheap gallon of paint and an even cheaper set of paint brushes from Wal-Mart, and our bank battery box cost roughly $20 total. True, that didn't count the decking screws which we already had on hand.

First phase: Building a sturdy base/floor for the box. The floor board was cut two feet deep and four feet wide. Five two foot lengths of 2" x 4" were placed under the board on edge at even intervals and fastened in place with plenty of 1 1/4" decking screws. One thing we've acquired over the years has been a great supply of power drills, so I use two: One loaded with a small bit for drilling pilot holes, the other (the variable speed version) holding a Phillips head screwdriver bit to make screwing things down tight a piece of cake.

Two "legs" to begin with, but obviously not enough to support nearly 500 lbs. worth of batteries.
Two "legs" to begin with, but obviously not enough to support nearly 500 lbs. worth of batteries.
Power driving the screws with the variable speed drill.
Power driving the screws with the variable speed drill.
Five "legs" about ten inches apart should do the trick.
Five "legs" about ten inches apart should do the trick.

Pam Gets The Credit

When my wife learned that my original intention had been to build the box as a sort of "open shelving" arrangement, she suggested (gently!) that I might want to reconsider. Our monsoon rains can hit the ground hard enough to splash mud up pretty high, even under the back end of the storage semi trailer where the battery bank will eventually be installed. Hey, when she's right, she's right. So I mentally tipped the design ninety degrees, producing a box with closed sides but an open top.

First, though, I needed to know that the batteries were truly going to fit where they'd been designed to fit. High powered hotshots often rely on measurements to figure that out. I don't. I'm an old rancher's son, and country folks learn early not to take much of anything for granted. As soon as a couple of pieces could be put in place, I needed to actually place two of the batteries in position.

I was wrong, I was right, and I lucked out. According to the numbers, there should have been about 3/8" of open space between the batteries and the lower 2" x 4" pieces of lumber. Unfortunately, I'd procrastinated for more than a week after getting the lumber home from Home Depot, and some of the precut 2" x 4" chunks of wood had warped. Additionally, the length measurement of the batteries was not quite accurate; these particular products have a slight "bow" in the center of the ends on each battery case. Net result: Lost free space, times two.

Luck did win the day with 1/16" of free space actually remaining. Whew! (Imagine how frustrating it would have been if I'd built the whole thing without checking...and the fit missed by 1/16"! What a revolting situation that would have been!)

The close-limits 2" x 4" pieces are in place; time to check the fit....
The close-limits 2" x 4" pieces are in place; time to check the fit....
Whew!  Too close for comfort, but actually a perfect fit!
Whew! Too close for comfort, but actually a perfect fit!

Boxing Things In

Okay, now the sides. I found it easiest to attach the sides by standing the project on one end. First one side (naturally), then the other. That turned out to be about the easiest part of the whole project, went lickety split and looked like something was actually happening to boot. When it came to installing the end boards, the glitch factor was back. Nothing serious, but the boards--which had been precut at Home Depot--were a little too wide. Not Home Depot's fault. Their sawyer and I had attempted to get exact two-foot dimensions, but the longer boards came out a little narrower. It didn't take much thinking to know why: The square pieces were exactly on target, but we'd had to make an additional cut to produce the long boards, and the result was a misfit by the width of a Home Depot saw blade.

I would have used a Skilsaw to trim the edges, but both such saws (yes, we have two) are buried in a box somewhere in that forty foot semi full of household goods. The box is clearly labeled, "Two Skilsaws", but precisely where it might be remains an open question. In the end, it didn't matter. Wafer board is easy to cut, even with a slightly dull and somewhat aged handsaw.

Once the trimming was accomplished, the fit was perfect. Note: The end boards are not firmly secured but, after being painted, were simply tacked in position to temporarily encourage the overall box to hold its proper shape. The controller will be mounted on the left end board and the inverter will be mounted on the right end board. It will be a lot easier to do that without the boards being part of the box at the time. Equally important is the fact that I'd be asking for a rupture and a cracked skull if I were to try lifting those heavy batteries over the top edge of the box while bent over underneath the back of that semi trailer. This way, I can slide the batteries into place through the open ends, then place the end boards in position (with electronics attached) and then cinch everything down.

I'll only need to bend over the top of the box to fasten the battery cables that connect the controller and inverter to the battery bank, and that's doable.

One long "wall" attached.
One long "wall" attached.
Just a little off the side, please.
Just a little off the side, please.
The completed box.
The completed box.

A Touch Of Paint And Good To Go

 The completed box, two feet by two feet by four feet, looks pretty good.  It needs a little protection from the weather, of course.  Sun and rain will have only limited access, since the container will reside dead center under the back end of the semi trailer, but any raw lumber needs to hide from the elements a little bit...and wafer board is even more vulnerable than that.

It's a good thing Wal-Mart has low cost paint, because this thirsty box drank down a solid half gallon of battleship gray without stopping for breath.  If I'd been feeling generous, it might have accepted that much again.  At least it's well sealed now, and that's the point.

Once the the controller and inverter arrive and have been mounted on their respective end boards, we should be within a day or  two of actually  generating our own electrical power.  We'll keep you posted.

Upside down and ready for the paintbrush.
Upside down and ready for the paintbrush.
Battleship gray.
Battleship gray.

Comments

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wesleycox Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

This is a valuable hub with great visuals on how to set up an expensive system. Great hub Ghost.

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Wealthmadehealthy Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

This is awesome what you are doing....one thing tho,(cringe) I did not see you do is waterproof the sides and bottom of the box with waterproof sealant.....When the monsoon rains arrive, is the water going to be able to seep though the sides somehow even with the paint on there???

I had to laugh at your "thirsty box" comment...this has happened to me before....and "I hate it when this happens"

Great hub Ghost32, and you do have your work cut out for you with no time to waste as the seasons are flying by so fast...I pray you are at a point when the weather changes to a winter status that you are ready...I'm rootin for ya over here....You and Pam have a great green life ahead of you!!!

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Joy At Home Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago

Hubby and I have been considering quite a similar set-up.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks, Wesley.

WealthMadeHealthy, not to worry about the monsoons. You're right about the lack of sealant, but it won't matter in the least. Where the box "lives", the ground is on a very gentle 1 percent grade. Any heavy rainwater "sheets" off gently downslope. And you noted the 2" x 4" "legs" under there? In this precise location, that much elevation is more than enough to keep the boxes "skirts up out of the muck"...so to speak.

And as to just "driving" through the sides on the way to the ground, the rain has no chance. 99 % of it won't reach any part of the box, since the underside of the semi trailer provides a protective two foot overhang to either side. The small remainder will simply course down the seams and happily hit the ground.

Joy At Home, we certainly understand. In our case, there's an "extra" powerful incentive: Since our small generator died, the only source of electrical power we've had (for some weeks now) is the big 5500 watt generator...that costs us more than $15 per DAY in gasoline! Which means the turbine system (at a total setup cost of more than $2,000 but definitely under $2,500) won't take long at all to pay for itself.

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Joy At Home Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago

Well, Ghost, be sure to keep us posted on how the rest of the project is going. In our present location, such a system would be absurd, but we are looking at a property that presently has no electricity, and is set up for 1920's style living. The last occupant was a 90-something year old lady who liked her life there very much, and might still be there if it weren't for her falling downstairs and refusing medical aid. Given our frugal lifestyle, a turbine makes more sense than the traditional grid route.

Good luck, and prayers for you and yours.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks, Joy, and back atcha. Had material for two more Hubs today--a stunningly beautiful flying green beetle that stopped by to say Hi, and the building of a cheap but super strong work table. However, my proposed supplier of battery cables for the wind turbine setup glitched, and I spent the evening searching the Net for a better option.

Found one, thankfully!

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Joy At Home Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago

Good! I'm a firm believer that there are always more options than we see initially.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 2 years ago

Most definitely, Joy. Came up with another one today. Finally got our building permits, which have to be posted prominently--and accessible--on the jobsite. Thought about planting a post for the purpose, but would have had to go to town and buy the post. Eventually found an empty 8 x 10 picture frame in our storage semi trailer, which sits just ten feet behind what will become the south wall of the house. Trimmed the 3 documents (2 yellow cards plus a piece of plain paper with the site plan on it) to fit the frame, drilled 2 holes in 2 of the "ribs" supporting the semi walls, attached the ends of a spare bungee cord through those holes, and--fancy framed, spring loaded building permit holder, Ta-Dah-h-h!

Have to get around to taking a picture of that....

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Write at Home 2 years ago

Great post. I lived off the grid for a couple of years at an ecovillage, and storing power was always an issue because of the expense of setting up new solar systems and purchasing batteries for them. I wish I had seen this article back then!

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Ghost32 Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks for the Comment. Guess if you've "been there, done that" and what we're doing makes sense to you, we might even be on the right track!

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MagicStarER 2 years ago

I admire you no end for being so self-sufficient and for using your head to think on your own. You have what is known here in Kentucky as "country smarts". I have been studying for the last year about how to get off the grid and be completely self-sufficient, including alternate power sources, digging (or rather, driving!) my own well, raising organic food, etc, etc. Like you, I prefer learning to do it on my own, and have devised several plans for doing all this by myself, and much cheaper, and even better than what they sell you for many thousands, or scam you out of.

I'll have to get some of my articles about getting off the grid and how to get cheap land down south, cheap sustainable housing, etc, etc.

My respects, and I will have to make a point of reading your stuff - got a feeling I might learn something from a guy like you! Resourcefulness is one of the qualities I admire most in a person! :)

Kudos from Kentucky

btw: I read your other article about how to get out of paying your bills, too, but couldn't get the comments to work. I was going to remark that "Hey, you gotta do what you gotta do". Can't cry over spilt milk, got to fix things the best you can and move on.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks for the comment, Magic. I'll have to check out the comments workability on that other hub.

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milleredkarla 2 years ago

Great hub. People need alternative's these days to conserve their money for more important things like, food or clothing, or to pay off their home. Most companies out their want you to have Professionals do it for you. Especially the Insurance Industry. I have fought this putting in a Wood Stove which the chimney was professionally installed. The one question I have is how much space am I going to need for a Wind Turbine?

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Ghost32 Hub Author 2 years ago

As to space needed for the wind turbine,that depends. We are buying four acres, but you can even do it in a neighborhood if the neighbors and local codes don't beat you to a pulp for even thinking about it. Main thing is to be able to get the propellor blades clearly above surrounding buildings and trees.

I know what you mean about insurance companies and wood stoves. Spent 12 years as a commercial insurance underwriter AND have installed several wood stoves in homes I owned. These were in South Dakota and in Montana. But I'm enough of a rebel that I most certainly did not tell my homeowners insurance company about adding the wood stove--figured I'd risk it, and fooey on them. Along that same line, I did all my own instalation.

Then again, I grew up on a Montana ranch in a log home where the only heat for cooking or warmth came from wood, so I kind of figured I had a clue on that one.

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GreenGardenGuy 2 years ago

Great Hub, thanks! Try the salvage yard for used welding cable. Great for handling the high amperage of batteries without the resistive losses. Build it better than it has to be at a cheaper price.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 2 years ago

Huh. Why didn't I think of that? Used welding cable would be excellent. If we had much in the way of a local salvage yard, that is...but the idea still has plenty of merit. Thanks.

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dablufox 13 months ago

One very cool idea, I had actually dreamt up a similar idea from my time in the Royal Australian Submarine Corps which essentially used a similar setup for emergency backup LP (Low Power) supply for the Oberon Class Submarines. Only a V12 donk tops up the juice. But I had the idea of using solar panels. I love your innovation! Semper Fi

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Ghost32 Hub Author 13 months ago

Thanks. We're hoping to go to a mobile solar generator for primary power sometime this coming summer (finances permitting), but this battery box for backup will still be part of the plan. May just dig out the old (and I do mean old) trickle charger and power that from the main source, but having that little bit of backup always on hand is definitely reassuring.

Greg 9 months ago

Batteries leak hydrogen AND oxygen. Those are known to explode when mixed. Even sealed AGM batteries can leak gases.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 9 months ago

True. So...your point?

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50 Caliber Level 7 Commenter 7 months ago

Fred, saw this while hunting another of your hubs and coasted in for a read. I like you, pretty much want to test stuff for actual use prior to holding a completed unusable nice looking yet totally worthless pile of work.

I am guilty of screwing up welded items by an eighth inch. I was wondering after reading a piece you wrote that mentioned doing things by flashlight, weather or not you had incorporated a battery bank yet. Now I see that's a big yes.

I have space lighting using 12 volt lighting from the interior lights of crashed ambulances. They are just some of my 12 volt items, but for just general lighting in a 20x20 space to save toe stubbing in the dark dark that under ground no windows supply they are probably my greatest find, 6 per ambulance box and low demand so they were cheap and digging dimmers out with the headlight switch makes them pretty functional, I use mostly all 12v lighting even with 440v available a car sized fuse panel and junk yard walks with a fast electric screw driver a feller can get his pockets stuffed with spare fuses, bulbs and on later stuff diodes for one way flow of current are under the hoods. Anyway good stuff cheap as they don't often sell this kinda stuff and most don't know what you lay on the desk in a pick a part yard and often tell me to just take it.

A good topic I should contribute to, to share ideas on the cheap.

voted up, dust

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Ghost32 Hub Author 7 months ago

Great rundown on 12 volt lighting on the cheap, Dusty. I hadn't thought of hitting the pick a part yards for such, but yeah--they're used to selling engines, not small "peripheral" stuff like that.

Last thing I got from one of those yards was in Great Falls, MT, in 2000. We had a wornout '84 Chevy Citation as our only transportation at the time. One day, pulling out of Wolf Creek to head back to the cabin, the steering column literally did the cartoon thing--came apart in my hands.

Drove that sucker all the way home, about 15 miles & some nasty turns along the way, then managed the next day to get the even MORE beatup GMC 3/4 ton 4WD going long enough to make it to Great Falls to go parts hunting. (The truck had little in the way of brakes--sometimes nothing--a 2-speed Auto. trans (of all things), what we finally figured out was a 350 Olds engine, a tendency to overheat at the drop of a hat, burned through transmission fluid like crazy, and had to be started from underneath with a big screwdriver shorting out the starter terminals. One of my "better" purchases.)

Was getting fairly desperate, but finally (in the salvage yard) found a Pontiac Phoenix with a steering column that would fit.

Charged me $80 for it though; no freebies for that. Apparently they knew what it was.

All "on the cheap" contributions gladly accepted! :)

Thanks for the vote up.

AZdug 6 months ago

Where did you get the turbine, inverter and controller?

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Ghost32 Hub Author 6 months ago

It's probably best if I don't say. The turbine busted in half after a few months of use (with zero support from the seller), the controller came with the turbine, and the inverter (rated at 3000 watts) wouldn't even run the microwave.

Josh 11 days ago

This is a great hub. Just ran into it from a google search. I am planning a small sytem for a Going Green generator. This is certainly valuble inormation that actually didn't try to sell anything. I hate those ebooks that try to sell to you. You are right about that. All they want is to build there system at no cost.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 10 days ago

Glad it was helpful, Josh. Good luck with your system.

Frog 7 days ago

Love the sharing of support and ideas. Just wanted to add a side note about battery off gassing hydrogen- not a problem for you, since yours are outside, but if you put a battery box inside a building, you'd better vent it, or you are asking for an accidental explosion.

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Ghost32 Hub Author 6 days ago

Good point, and thanks for mentioning it.

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